Did everyone miss this?

[Fearo]

http://www.racerxonline.com/article/mx2-world-champ-coming-to-america.aspx

He'll be riding for Mitch. I'm ****ing excited :clap:

[Mr.Behling]

Whether or not he's riding for PC is a rumor, a very good and likely rumor, but still not set in stone.

[O'Brien#12]

I read about it the start of the week.....Rattray and Searle.......This is going to be good!!

I have to follow Our boy Searle thought the only other pomme in Yankland is Adam Chatfield so this should be good!! We should have a brit in the top 3 and the top 15 (IMO)


Go on boys!!!

[757]

last time pc had a former world champ riding for him he won a championship....

[devindavis410]

Remember that Searle was supposed to ride for Geico Honda and that never happened...

so you never know.

[O'Brien#12]

anyone know who Searle is riding for?? I haven't heard any info on who or what he will be riding next year. All i know is he is heading for the states.

[Motocross83]

I believe Searle will once again be on KTM although I could be worng. I'm pretty sure it's KTM though. As for Tyla, I read somewhere that he's been linked with a PC Honda team???

Sure be cool. I expect Tyla to win the Nationals next year :smiley:

[d dogg]

I believe Searle will once again be on KTM although I could be worng. I'm pretty sure it's KTM though. As for Tyla, I read somewhere that he's been linked with a PC Honda team???

Sure be cool. I expect Tyla to win the Nationals next year :smiley:

you read that on racerhead, i think it was a typo though, im pretty sure they meant to say monster/pro circuit kawasaki. that is the rumor as of now

[Falcon991]

Tyla and Tommy are fast for sure, but new transplants to America seldom do really well their first season. We'll see how it goes, but I think they'll both have their hands full in the 250s.

[devindavis410]

Dungey, Stroupe, and Canard will be the top 3 guys.

Wharton and Barcia should be fun to watch

and the euros will be solid top 5

[Motocross83]

Tyla and Tommy are fast for sure, but new transplants to America seldom do really well their first season. We'll see how it goes, but I think they'll both have their hands full in the 250s.

In Supercross I totally agree. But I can't think of too many quality euro's who have struggled first time out (apart from Greg Albertyn) in the Nationals. Langston, Tortelli and Townley (Townley, after missing 06 through injury) won right away. Good riders, regardless of where they come from, always do well.

Still there's alot to deal with. The AMA Nationals are reported to be alot more intense and this is something both Tyla and Tommy will have to adapt to. Plus new tracks, SX obsticles, avoiding injuries etc. Don't get me wrong, i'm not suggesting it'll be easy. The American riders kick a## but ive followed Tyla along time and I know what kind of rider he is. The guy is like RC in terms of fitness. He has a very controlled and all business like attitude. He also possess Villipoto "like" speed and has a wealth of experience going back many years. Dungey is awesome but I would have to give Tyla the edge in the long term war.

[Fearo]

I didn't know it wasn't a done deal yet. A Belgian website has it he's riding for Mitch, so that's why I said it.

I think Tyla and Tommy will have to adapt to the aggressive racing and the balls out brutal first five minutes of every moto. Although I think Searle will have to adapt less, he's had a very US-like style all along.

We'll see.

[Falcon991]

I wouldn't expect Dungey to top 5 in the GPs any more than I expect the new transplants to do the same over here. I think this year's 250 title has Dungey's name on it already. Of course, there's a reason they run the races!

[jnickell]

I wouldn't expect Dungey to top 5 in the GPs any more than I expect the new transplants to do the same over here. I think this year's 250 title has Dungey's name on it already. Of course, there's a reason they run the races!

I think Dungey would top 5 over there pretty regularly and probably even win quite a bit. I also think that Rattray and Searle will top 5 over here pretty regularly as well. To me, Dungey is special where as Searle and Rattray aren't quite at that level. I see them in the same light that I see a Metcalfe or Josh Grant. AWESOME, but not quite special. Maybe they will prove me wrong. I do think that AC has that special something as does C.Pourcel. I'd like to see them come over.

[sharkmx62]

I think Dungey would top 5 over there pretty regularly and probably even win quite a bit. I also think that Rattray and Searle will top 5 over here pretty regularly as well. To me, Dungey is special where as Searle and Rattray aren't quite at that level. I see them in the same light that I see a Metcalfe or Josh Grant. AWESOME, but not quite special. Maybe they will prove me wrong. I do think that AC has that special something as does C.Pourcel. I'd like to see them come over.
You said that perfectly

[O'Brien#12]

I think Seb would be a good transplant. The pourcel brothers just seem to own IMO, look at the des nations for a good few laps S.Pourcel gave Stewert fits!
Searle is much faster than Metcalfe he is deffs up there with Townley in regards to speed as is Tyla. I think Searle will have to adapt less thanTyla as was stated before but he will ride well regardless and i think Searle will struggle with SX for a few seasons before coming good.
In regards to positions achievable i think if you are fast in the US then you are fast in europe and vice versa. Look at when De Reuver went to Southwick and when Zac Osborne came here. Osborne is doing better here than the US but that could be down to the team. Dixon Yamaha is known to nurture young talents well.

Bring on 2009!!!

[electro211]

I believe Searle will once again be on KTM although I could be worng. I'm pretty sure it's KTM though. As for Tyla, I read somewhere that he's been linked with a PC Honda team???

Sure be cool. I expect Tyla to win the Nationals next year :smiley:


Searle is still with KTM, he is listed on MDK's site as a team member. He won't be riding SX this year. I think he is signed with MDK/KTM through 2010 season.

[Jarid332]

Dungey would top 5 a GP no problem.

[O'Brien#12]

pfft God doesn't exist this side of the pond, he wouldn't stand a chance! :-D hahaha

[cobra314]

More Euros that think they are fast and are coming to America to get their asses handed to them. Every once in a while there is a special one that makes it and is a championship contender (Bayle, Albertyn, Roncada, Tortelli), but most haven't proven to be able to get the job done.

[O'Brien#12]

Townley, Pourcel, Coisy there are more but these are the most recent transplants. I think if you are fast here you are fast there, however there is no denying the change in style! One isn't necessarily better, just different, generally once the euros adapt they are up there.

[Fearo]

More Euros that think they are fast and are coming to America to get their asses handed to them. Every once in a while there is a special one that makes it and is a championship contender (Bayle, Albertyn, Roncada, Tortelli), but most haven't proven to be able to get the job done.

Who are we talking about here? I coudn't name one European rider in the last 5 years that didn't live up to the expectations in the US.

US riders that think they are fast and come to Europe on the other hand...

[jnickell]

Who are we talking about here? I coudn't name one European rider in the last 5 years that didn't live up to the expectations in the US.

US riders that think they are fast and come to Europe on the other hand...

The age old argument continues...


Name one truly fast American or American based rider that has moved to Europe. You can't. The reason you can't is because the only way to get an American based rider to go to Europe to race is when they run out of options in the US. That means that they aren't truly on the faster side of the scale when compared to their peers. Yes, Mike and Jeff Alessi went over there to race a GP in 2005 but that was just one race and only a week after racing in California (6 timezones away). I would guess that if someone like Mike Alessi or Ryan Dungey or anyone that we consider fast decides to go to Europe to race, they will be instant title threats. But that's not the guys that go. The guys that end up over there are guys like Jeff Dement, Sean Hamblin, Mike Brown (post peak years) and a host of others. None of those guys suck but none of them can be considered the cream of the crop over here. Zach Osbourne is over there now. He has won at least one race that I know of. Over here, he'd maybe get on the podium on one of his best days. With the experience and cofidence he is gaining over there though, I think he'll be more formidable if he chooses to come back to the US. The comparison is not the same.

[Fearo]

The age old argument continues...


Name one truly fast American or American based rider that has moved to Europe. You can't. The reason you can't is because the only way to get an American based rider to go to Europe to race is when they run out of options in the US. That means that they aren't truly on the faster side of the scale when compared to their peers. Yes, Mike and Jeff Alessi went over there to race a GP in 2005 but that was just one race and only a week after racing in California (6 timezones away). I would guess that if someone like Mike Alessi or Ryan Dungey or anyone that we consider fast decides to go to Europe to race, they will be instant title threats. But that's not the guys that go. The guys that end up over there are guys like Jeff Dement, Sean Hamblin, Mike Brown (post peak years) and a host of others. None of those guys suck but none of them can be considered the cream of the crop over here. Zach Osbourne is over there now. He has won at least one race that I know of. Over here, he'd maybe get on the podium on one of his best days. With the experience and cofidence he is gaining over there though, I think he'll be more formidable if he chooses to come back to the US. The comparison is not the same.

Wow, Jnick, I wasn't trying to be a smartass or anything. What you say about riders switching from the US to Europe for different reasons is valid, but what's with the 'aren't on the faster side of the scale'? Other than Stewart and RV, I can think of a few Euros that could murder the entire US field. Same goes for US riders in Europe of course, but don't be dillusional and think that US riders (other than James and Ryan) are faster than Europeans. I'd say it's dead equal, that's why they are the best in the world. It's not like the air in Europe makes for slower riders or anything.

[sharkmx62]

Wow, Jnick, I wasn't trying to be a smartass or anything. What you say about riders switching from the US to Europe for different reasons is valid, but what's with the 'aren't on the faster side of the scale'? Other than Stewart and RV, I can think of a few Euros that could murder the entire US field. Same goes for US riders in Europe of course, but don't be dillusional and think that US riders (other than James and Ryan) are faster than Europeans. I'd say it's dead equal, that's why they are the best in the world. It's not like the air in Europe makes for slower riders or anything.
Id say its definetly getting close to equal now. But Jnick made a point that ive always believed in, slow Americans go to Europe, fast Europeans come to America. It definetly shows which championship has more prestige.
But im stoked to see all of the Europeans come over, I hope they do some real damage and shut the mouths of critics over here that are stuck in the "euros are slower" mentality.
A little off topic but when is Cairoli making his way over?

[jnickell]

Wow, Jnick, I wasn't trying to be a smartass or anything. What you say about riders switching from the US to Europe for different reasons is valid, but what's with the 'aren't on the faster side of the scale'? Other than Stewart and RV, I can think of a few Euros that could murder the entire US field. Same goes for US riders in Europe of course, but don't be dillusional and think that US riders (other than James and Ryan) are faster than Europeans. I'd say it's dead equal, that's why they are the best in the world. It's not like the air in Europe makes for slower riders or anything.

Fearo, Fearo, Fearo. I wasn't lashing out at all and I didn't think you were trying to be a smart ass. I was just stating my case. If you felt attacked, I'm sorry. That was not my intention. I do think you need to add to your list of guys that would probably win over in Europe. Mike Alessi has REALLY matured into one of those guys. As has Ryan Dungey. Andrew Short would be right in there but he's not quite as fast as the last two I mentioned. I think he's every bit as fast as any of the MX1 guys that competed in 2008 so he'd have just as much of a shot at the title as the current champion David Philippaerts did. Ferry is in that category too. I think the real talent in Europe has been in the MX2 class with AC, Searle, Rattray and Pourcel. AC and Pourcel are a notch above Searle and Rattray but I don't think they are any better than a guy like Dungey. That's still saying a lot. We could go on and on. The problem is that we send our has beens to Europe and Europe sends it's top tier guys to the US. I wish there were some sort of series that put all these guys together for at least 8 races. I really don't care if America or the rest of the world is the best. I just think the racing would be phenomenal.

[sharkmx62]

I feel that way too Jnick. Seems like their MX1 class is getting shafted by MX2.

[Motocross83]

I think alot of europeans get to the point where they've done Europe for several years and in the case of Tyla, he just thinks... "Well, it's either now or never because i'm not getting any younger". The money is in a different league too, which ofcourse is a big attraction and it's a chance to do something new. I can totally appreciate why people like Tyla choose to go race in America.

On the issue of speed, after his 2008 performance I would have to stick Tyla in the same bracket as Cairoli and Pourcel.

In 2007 he was good but usually 3rd best on speed, however this year he definitely made a leap in his riding. The guy can and has matched Antonio on speed i.e Germany AC couldn't put a dent into Tyla's lead. Tommy is also very very close but overall I would have to put him a notch, just a notch behind Tyla in speed.

[Triple Five]

Wasn't _______ supposed to come over here and clean up a few years ago?


Insert over 9000 names into the blank.


I'm from the show me state. So far none of the hype has live up for over 9000 years.

[sharkmx62]

Wasn't _______ supposed to come over here and clean up a few years ago?


Insert over 9000 names into the blank.


I'm from the show me state. So far none of the hype has live up for over 9000 years.
:-/
Dont know if youre just starting stuff, but a few names come to mind. Bayle, nuff said. Pichon, Albertyne, Townley, Vuillemen, Roncada, Tortelli. They all had success, maybe not countless title (except bayle) but they all had great careers

[tobz173]

I guess the excuses work both ways on the ol'l "time zones". "only one race" excuse.

How quickly some people forget Everts ass whooping on the "fastest rider in the world" ....one race only right?

[jnickell]

I guess the excuses work both ways on the ol'l "time zones". "only one race" excuse.

How quickly some people forget Everts ass whooping on the "fastest rider in the world" ....one race only right?

To me, the timezone "excuse" is only valid when you don't spend a significant amount of time in the timezone you are racing in. For a guy like Alessi who is a Western US guy, going straight to Ireland the next weekend had to put a huge dent in his body's time clock. Hell, he was probably racing in Ireland at exactly the same time he would normally be fast asleep. It's 8 hours. How can timezone be excluded in the list of reasons why it is REALLY hard to go race one race in Europe? Now if the racer moves to Europe, the timezone excuse goes bye bye. Same goes for when they come over here to race. DeReuver came over for Southwick and railed in the first moto but got railed in the second moto. That is only a 5 hour difference but when he lined up at 1ish to race here in the states, it was 6PM at home so not that big a deal but it still matters. The second moto was probably held at 3PM which is probably around his bed time back home. Still not as bad as going to Europe but bad enough for him to have an epic fade in the second moto.

[Fearo]

Fearo, Fearo, Fearo. I wasn't lashing out at all and I didn't think you were trying to be a smart ass. I was just stating my case. If you felt attacked, I'm sorry. That was not my intention. I do think you need to add to your list of guys that would probably win over in Europe. Mike Alessi has REALLY matured into one of those guys. As has Ryan Dungey. Andrew Short would be right in there but he's not quite as fast as the last two I mentioned. I think he's every bit as fast as any of the MX1 guys that competed in 2008 so he'd have just as much of a shot at the title as the current champion David Philippaerts did. Ferry is in that category too. I think the real talent in Europe has been in the MX2 class with AC, Searle, Rattray and Pourcel. AC and Pourcel are a notch above Searle and Rattray but I don't think they are any better than a guy like Dungey. That's still saying a lot. We could go on and on. The problem is that we send our has beens to Europe and Europe sends it's top tier guys to the US. I wish there were some sort of series that put all these guys together for at least 8 races. I really don't care if America or the rest of the world is the best. I just think the racing would be phenomenal.

Thanks for clearing that out, Jnick. I hear you, but I still wouldn't underestimate some of the talent we have here in MX1. Philippaerts, Ramon, De Dijcker, and Barragan are, in my opinion, in the same category as someone like Ferry, Short or Millsaps. I could see someone like Ferry or Short winning a few races here, but I'd say they'd have to adapt for a year or two first, to really go for a championship. When it comes to MX2, I'd definitely put Cairoli and Pourcel in Dungey and Villopoto's league. I know Cairoli got destroyed at the nations, but Pourcel did beat everyone (I know Villopoto fell) in his second supercross ever.

A combined series is every MX fan's wet dream, I assume. Although I do feel like it's going in the right direction, with the US taking the Nations seriously again, the FIM organising a USGP again, and riders like De Reuver going over to the US on an off-weekend.

[motogrady]

Hey, it's good to see the guy's from the other side.
Rattray from SouthAmerica, Searle from England...........:lol:.......
yes, a goodthing. I Wish 'em the best of luck.

[d dogg]

i respect the european guys like pourcel, de dyker, ramon, phillapearts, cairoli, rattray, searle, etc. i know they are bad fast, and anyone who doesnt admit that is ignorant.
but i can honestly say that if there was a combined series, i would be 100% confident that none of those guys would really make james stewart and/or ryan dungey lose any sleep.
america is the place to be in motocross.

[Fearo]

i respect the european guys like pourcel, de dyker, ramon, phillapearts, cairoli, rattray, searle, etc. i know they are bad fast, and anyone who doesnt admit that is ignorant.
but i can honestly say that if there was a combined series, i would be 100% confident that none of those guys would really make james stewart and/or ryan dungey lose any sleep.

I'd agree with the part about Stewart. Although I think Cairoli and Pourcel could run with Dungey. We'll know sooner than later :-D