Who is Chisolm (Spoiler)

[sharkmx62]

Kid ruins the greatest race all year. If you wondered how somebody that barely makes it into the mains got a factory ride, you learned why this ride. Bonehead move. Larry Brooks should be so proud, wonder how he feels about his lapper rant now? When was the last time somebody got black flagged?

[Daniel]

Yeah, it was a great race up until that point. I think the worst part of the whole deal was it ruined Chad's spirits, it's not that really lost that much time in that corner.
If Lawrence gets suspended for 3 races for that move on Hepler, I'm interested to see what they'll do to Chisolm. My guess: nothing.

[Sheriff]

Disqualified from this race and suspended for the rest (!) of the season. The worst in this story is, Reed could still have a shot. I'm not saying he would have won, but it could've happened. Watch for Alessi in Vegas.

[d dogg]

you guys are on rocks if you honestly think reed woulda won that race. james had his number, nothing new. the only reason it was that close in the first place was because chad was trying desperately to stuff him/clean him out. he lost no time with the chisolm incident, although it was a b/s move. a true champion would rise above it and not let anybody gap him 4 seconds in the next few laps after it happened.
james had to deal with chads retaliation several times; chad had to deal with a bump from chisolm once.

[motogrady]

looked kinda like he missed Reed, he could say he just came in too hot,
but if there were blue flags out there and he was a lapper he toast, was a day
it was expected but in this era of, well forget it.......Reed lost maybe 1 sec,
there was time and stew pulled him, Stew's race.... question, if 800 does a little better and actually cleans stewart out in vegas tit for tat or BS? Millions at stake here, it's business, but a sport, .....let 'em get away with it or give double
back..........I wonder....... what would Caesar say.....:thumbsdown:...:thumbsup::thumbsup:..:thum bsdown:

[sharkmx62]

you guys are on rocks if you honestly think reed woulda won that race. james had his number, nothing new. the only reason it was that close in the first place was because chad was trying desperately to stuff him/clean him out. he lost no time with the chisolm incident, although it was a b/s move. a true champion would rise above it and not let anybody gap him 4 seconds in the next few laps after it happened.
james had to deal with chads retaliation several times; chad had to deal with a bump from chisolm once.
Youre crazy if you dont think Chad still had a chance. Stewie had gapped him and Reed was reeling him back in as KC ran into Chad twice. Yeah Chad stuffed the hell out of Stewie, retaliation, Stewart knew it was coming. When a barely making the mains back-marker rails you twice, well thats a whole new level of stupid. Season is ruined by Stewarts friend, and nothing can really fix it. You cant dock Stewart points, theres just no justification, and you cant expect Alessi to retaliate, thats not right either. It was just a chicken**** move that ruined it for the fans. Brooks should be so proud.

[d dogg]

i guess im crazy then. it had the same set up as jacksonville. james just rides with him until he feels its necessary to pull the trigger. chisolm hit (tapped his rear wheel) once. the turn before he didnt hit him, he just made reed switch his line. when they exited the "chisolm corner," he was still on james' back wheel. then why did james pull out 4 seconds so quickly? because he knows he needs to get away when he gets the lead. same thing happened in jacksonville.
i sound like a broken record, but james and chad have had these types of races since 2002, and james has come out on top every time. chad has accepted the fact already, thats why he was so aggresive with james. but his fans havent.

[DBerg649]

It seems to me that it's pretty likely that Stewart would have won either way. I'm not really good at statistics, but JS has been able to beat Reed straight up much more than the other way around, but either way, I really hate that KC did that. I've always cheered for him, I guess because I remember him from when he was riding 80's locally, but I lost a lot of respect for him after that.
Such a coincidence that Brooks quit writing his column before the race... it's all a conspiracy man. :wonder:

[sharkmx62]

i guess im crazy then. it had the same set up as jacksonville. james just rides with him until he feels its necessary to pull the trigger. chisolm hit (tapped his rear wheel) once. the turn before he didnt hit him, he just made reed switch his line. when they exited the "chisolm corner," he was still on james' back wheel. then why did james pull out 4 seconds so quickly? because he knows he needs to get away when he gets the lead. same thing happened in jacksonville.
i sound like a broken record, but james and chad have had these types of races since 2002, and james has come out on top every time. chad has accepted the fact already, thats why he was so aggresive with james. but his fans havent.It did have a bit of jaksonville to it, i'll give you that. But Reedy held him off for awhile, got passed got him back twice. Then lost some momentum, pulled back up on him then k-chiz got in the way. Im not saying "Reed was going to win it". Im saying we might have had an epic race, if it werent for Chisolm being an idiot. And to the point of it being like Jacko, im wondering whats up with Reed. In both of these races once he got a little distance behind Stewie he seems to quit. His lap times dropped off pretty good both times, JS didnt get much faster in either race, Reed stopped going fast.

[d dogg]

well in jacksonville, reed went off the track after jamespassed him. so he probly decided to settle for 2nd once that happened. but as for yesterday, i dont know what was up with him. it seemed like he let the chisolm deal mess with his head, ya know? you could tell it pi$$ed him off, and then he dropped back. so who knows. i just hope james doesnt settle for a podium in vegas... i hope he still goes all out

[motogrady]

I dddduuuuunnnnnoooooo.....................


YouTube - Did Kyle Chisholm Ruin the Battle?

[Demon]

It was a horsesh*t move Reed should punched him in the face after the race for costing him first place right outside the San Manuel rig's parking space!

[Dudley]

I was hoping they would go into vegas tied :frown:

[Falcon991]

There is no doubt Chisholm cost Reed a better chance at passing Stewart. Without the tangle, Reed would have had a little longer to hold onto Stewart and possibly make a move. Did he do it on purpose, though?? On the replays you can see Kyle's rear wheel off the ground going into the corner, and he even blips the throttle two times before turning hard right with his bars (which causes him to high side as he goes into Reed.) I think he couldn't stop and did the best he could. The same scenario caused a crash in the 250 LCQ. I think it could be argued that Chisholm was in the wrong place at the wrong time with two very much faster riders lapping him. Let's not forget that he almost hit Stewart too.
Either way, it's a bummer. I'd have preferred to see Reed win and we'd have a battle royale in Vegas for the title.

[Aus_Rider_22]

There is no doubt Chisholm cost Reed a better chance at passing Stewart. Without the tangle, Reed would have had a little longer to hold onto Stewart and possibly make a move. Did he do it on purpose, though?? On the replays you can see Kyle's rear wheel off the ground going into the corner, and he even blips the throttle two times before turning hard right with his bars (which causes him to high side as he goes into Reed.) I think he couldn't stop and did the best he could. The same scenario caused a crash in the 250 LCQ. I think it could be argued that Chisholm was in the wrong place at the wrong time with two very much faster riders lapping him. Let's not forget that he almost hit Stewart too.
Either way, it's a bummer. I'd have preferred to see Reed win and we'd have a battle royale in Vegas for the title.

No matter which way you look at it, Chisholm was in the wrong. It's got me stuffed why lappers go around the track at their own pace and then decided it's time to race when they are getting lapped! :eww: Chisholm reckons he did a section that Reed didn't and was close because of that reason. But why try to go flat out when you are being lapped? They have ample warning that they have been lapped so he can't say he thought he was battling for the top privateer award (what a joke btw!)

I honestly don't think Reed would have won even without the incident, but he would have been able to stay closer and pressure Stewart a bit longer, maybe forcing a mistake.

In the end I don't think it's has had much effect on the race, it just makes Chisholm look pretty bad.

[goose]

Chisolm got a bad start and some spodes were in his way.

But seriously he came into the corner hot and Reed barely got caught up with him I didn't see him lose much if any of his drive out of the corner. After all the * needed to describe Reed's championships I guess his fans are pulling to spread some of that love around...

[sharkmx62]

Chisolm got a bad start and some spodes were in his way.

But seriously he came into the corner hot and Reed barely got caught up with him I didn't see him lose much if any of his drive out of the corner. After all the * needed to describe Reed's championships I guess his fans are pulling to spread some of that love around...
YouTube - AMA Supercross Salt Lake Recap

Watch this, if you dont think it was intentional I dont know what to say. It cost him a couple of seconds and mentally took him out of it, which is odd.

[goose]

YouTube - AMA Supercross Salt Lake Recap (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqWYaR3JaqE)

Watch this, if you dont think it was intentional I dont know what to say. It cost him a couple of seconds and mentally took him out of it, which is odd.

I saw the race and know what happened but thanks. It is funny that this is such a big deal but Reed trying to run stewart high multiple times is overlooked. Reed had some good laps but in the end he never was going to hold on. With how aggressive he defensively rode you could have slapped an 800 on his bike and you wouldn't know the difference

[sharkmx62]

He should have rode aggressively, it was for the win. KC had no business being near them, thats the difference.

[goose]

There is always two sides to every story. Who knows which is right but I do know Vegas is going to be do or die for Reedy. It is #7s championship to lose now

[sharkmx62]

There is always two sides to every story. Who knows which is right but I do know Vegas is going to be do or die for Reedy. It is #7s championship to lose now
indeed. Where does Stewie have to finish for Reed to win? I guess it could still be a decent championship battle. No matter what happens, its been a good year, especially when most (including me) thought it would be a JS runaway.

[sharkmx62]

Stolen from vital, just look it over for awhile, and come to your own conclussion
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[Mitch]

Look at where Stewart's bike is in the last picture. He squared off the corner, where was Kyle supposed to go? It's not like Reed even went down, I honestly don't get why this is such a big deal.

On a side note, Reed came off really petty and small to me in his interview. He sounded like a major ******, especially after Stewart took the high road in his interview AFTER REED PUSHED HIM OFF THE TRACK.

[sharkmx62]

Look at where Stewart's bike is in the last picture. He squared off the corner, where was Kyle supposed to go? It's not like Reed even went down, I honestly don't get why this is such a big deal.

On a side note, Reed came off really petty and small to me in his interview. He sounded like a major ******, especially after Stewart took the high road in his interview AFTER REED PUSHED HIM OFF THE TRACK.
Where was he suppose to go? The real question is, why was he there? First of all, he didnt have to jump off the table-top. He let his teamate by, then clearly raced Reed into the next corner. It's a big deal becuase it effected the outcome of the race in a close championship battle.

[goose]

It is a big deal because the Reed fans need something other than his lack of speed compared to Bubba to blame his loss of the championship on. Reed has always been a petty whiney b*tch. Can't stand him or Dungey. But hey I guess Dungey finally has a championship to go along with his attitude now :8/

[sharkmx62]

It is a big deal because the Reed fans need something other than his lack of speed compared to Bubba to blame his loss of the championship on. Reed has always been a petty whiney b*tch. Can't stand him or Dungey. But hey I guess Dungey finally has a championship to go along with his attitude now :8/
Lawrence fan?

[Triple Five]

Stewart has had Reed covered all year. This didn't effect the outcome. NBD

[sharkmx62]

Stewart has had Reed covered all year. This didn't effect the outcome. NBD
What crystal ball you using?
Is it likely that Bubbles would have held him off for the remainder? heck yeah, weve seen it before. But lets look at the facts, Reed was able to pass Stewart twice. Stewarts best lap was 13, while behind Reed. Stewart didnt have his fastest lap while in front of Reed, so we know he wasnt being "held-up" by Reed.
Reed could have got back around, but we will never know. Instead a teamate did a bonehead move twice taking Reed mentally out of the game, which is inpart Reeds own mistake. He most likely only lost about a second or two, but when racing Stewart thats all that is needed for him to win.

[Mitch]

The real question is, why was he there?I don't know, because he was racing a dirt bike? Because he made the main (which Reed's little henchman is going to have to do if he wants to win the title that way).

First of all, he didnt have to jump off the table-top.And Reed didn't have to go high in the turn.

He let his teamate by, then clearly raced Reed into the next corner. I'll be honest, I have to watch it again before I can say anything about this. I don't remember it well enough to comment intelligently.

It's a big deal becuase it effected the outcome of the race in a close championship battle.
That's debatable at best. Stewart gained time on Reed after the "incident."

[sharkmx62]

I don't know, because he was racing a dirt bike? Because he made the main (which Reed's little henchman is going to have to do if he wants to win the title that way).

And Reed didn't have to go high in the turn.

I'll be honest, I have to watch it again before I can say anything about this. I don't remember it well enough to comment intelligently.


That's debatable at best. Stewart gained time on Reed after the "incident."
Im not as internet savvy so i'll answer them all in one quote:lol:
I didnt mean why was he there as in on the track, but why was he trying to keep pace with 2 guys a lap ahead of him. Remember he bumped him twice.

Reed could go wherever he wanted, he had no one behind, except a lapper who couldnt follow the rules

Look at the pics I posted, that I stole from someone else

Again stewart didnt really gain time, Reed lost time. If JS had him covered his fastest lap would have happened after the incident, not before.

[Crash11]

I assume they lapped Chisolm on lap 14 or 15 (it's a little hard to tell from the lap chart). I'm pretty sure if I understand it right though, Chisolm was lapped on Lap 14. Here's the two riders times in that area of the race:

Stewart:
13 - 51.695
14 - 53.477
15 - 52.408

Reed:
13 - 53.385
14 - 53.364
15 - 53.672

So if it's lap 14 then Chisolm slowed down Stewart by about 1.8 seconds and did not affect Reed at all. If it's lap 15 it's harder to tell, but regardless, Stewart was the one who slowed down more through that time period. Reed ran very consistent and slower I might add. Reed has nothing to complain about. He's using that as an excuse to slow down near the end of the race because he was mentally beaten.

[MXcouchRACER]

I assume they lapped Chisolm on lap 14 or 15 (it's a little hard to tell from the lap chart). I'm pretty sure if I understand it right though, Chisolm was lapped on Lap 14. Here's the two riders times in that area of the race:

Stewart:
13 - 51.695
14 - 53.477
15 - 52.408

Reed:
13 - 53.385
14 - 53.364
15 - 53.672

So if it's lap 14 then Chisolm slowed down Stewart by about 1.8 seconds and did not affect Reed at all. If it's lap 15 it's harder to tell, but regardless, Stewart was the one who slowed down more through that time period. Reed ran very consistent and slower I might add. Reed has nothing to complain about. He's using that as an excuse to slow down near the end of the race because he was mentally beaten.


This is by far the best quote I have read out of all of the nonsence that Sharkmx has been posting. Regardless of who's fault it was, or however you want to make it look like Chisolm was in the wrong, doesn't change the fact that Stewart was consistantly a second faster than Reed and caught and passed Reed three times, even after Reed tried to take Stewart out and gained a couple seconds lead. Simply put Chisolm was in the wrong place at the wrong time with two very much faster riders lapping him. Reed is just using Chisolm as an excuse on why he couldn't beat Stewart. Also, Reed is the ONLY rider I have ever heard about "team tactics". Like last year when he complained about Josh Grant, Davi Millsaps, and Andrew Short all in front of him when K-Dub was leading. I think it is BS that Reed has complained in some of his interviews about never having a teamate that was willing to take someone else out for him, right then and there Reed is admiting that he needs someone to take out his faster competition so that he can win, and if I was Mike Alessi I would be ticked that Reed would imply that I was that kind of rider, or that Reed would even think for a second that I was willing to risk my reputation or career to help him out. It is outright disrespectful to other riders when you act like they are a nobody. "Chisolm, who's that guy?" as if Chisolm had no right being on the same track as "King Reed". Those guys work their butts off to even be in the top 20 fastest SX riders in the world, and to put Chisolm down for that is just wrong. Fact is that Stewart has 11 wins to Reed's 3, and for anyone who thinks that Chisolm cost Reed the championship has an i D 10 T problem.

[goose]

Lawrence fan?

Not a fan but I think they should let the kid ride and not hold a grudge. Look at Dungey's attitude. Thinks he is better than everyone. When he first came onto the scene he was a nice kid, cool to the fans but each year he gets more and more ****y. Just stating now he has a championship to back up his attitude seeing as the last couple of years he has done nothing but throw it all away

[d dogg]

i gotta agree with goose. the excuses pile up each year not only from reed's fans, but from reed himself. and ryan dungey is indeed a ***y s.o.b.... i was hoping he would throw it away again

[Aus_Rider_22]

I am debating the point that Chisholm is clearly in the wrong. It appears you can't understand why from your following quotes.

I don't know, because he was racing a dirt bike? Because he made the main (which Reed's little henchman is going to have to do if he wants to win the title that way).

You must not understand the rules or the idea of a race!
A lapper must slow down and allow the leading riders to pass. The blue flag is there for that reason, to signal to lappers faster riders are coming! Good on him making the main! He has every right to race and block all he wants, but not while being lapped! :thumbsup: He also couldn't argue he was trying to race whoever was behind him, he looked back at Stewart and Reed!


And Reed didn't have to go high in the turn.

Reed had first choice. After all he had just put Chisholm a lap down.

It doesn't really worry me that Stewart won, I just had to reply to your post about Chisholm. I don't think Reed would have won even if Chisholm wasn't on the track, I am just saying that you stating Chisholm is just an excuse for Reed fans and didn't do anything wrong is silly. :thumbsup:

[sharkmx62]

This is by far the best quote I have read out of all of the nonsence that Sharkmx has been posting. Regardless of who's fault it was, or however you want to make it look like Chisolm was in the wrong, doesn't change the fact that Stewart was consistantly a second faster than Reed and caught and passed Reed three times, even after Reed tried to take Stewart out and gained a couple seconds lead. Simply put Chisolm was Reed is just using Chisolm as an excuse on why he couldn't beat Stewart. Also, Reed is the ONLY rider I have ever heard about "team tactics". Like last year when he complained about Josh Grant, Davi Millsaps, and Andrew Short all in front of him when K-Dub was leading. I think it is BS that Reed has complained in some of his interviews about never having a teamate that was willing to take someone else out for him, right then and there Reed is admiting that he needs someone to take out his faster competition so that he can win, and if I was Mike Alessi I would be ticked that Reed would imply that I was that kind of rider, or that Reed would even think for a second that I was willing to risk my reputation or career to help him out. It is outright disrespectful to other riders when you act like they are a nobody. "Chisolm, who's that guy?" as if Chisolm had no right being on the same track as "King Reed". Those guys work their butts off to even be in the top 20 fastest SX riders in the world, and to put Chisolm down for that is just wrong. Fact is that Stewart has 11 wins to Reed's 3, and for anyone who thinks that Chisolm cost Reed the championship has an i D 10 T problem.All I can say is look at the pics. If it isnt clear to you, then we just have a difference of opinion I guess. And like I said before, unless you have a crystal ball, the fact is Chisolm slowed Reed down and messed him up. There is NO arguing that, it is fact. The rest is all opinion, would Stewart have ran away, would Reed have passed him back? We dont know.

[Triple Five]

You must not understand the rules or the idea of a race!
A lapper must slow down and allow the leading riders to pass. The blue flag is there for that reason, to signal to lappers faster riders are coming!
:



NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!


The blue flag is just a SUGGESTION. There is absolutely ZERO rules pertaining to the blue flag. It is there to let the riders being lapped know that the leaders are behind them. It's a gentlemans rule for the lapped rider to move over but that is it.

[Triple Five]

Another day, another Chad Reed excuse.

[Aus_Rider_22]

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!


The blue flag is just a SUGGESTION. There is absolutely ZERO rules pertaining to the blue flag. It is there to let the riders being lapped know that the leaders are behind them. It's a gentlemans rule for the lapped rider to move over but that is it.

Really???

I stand corrected then. :embarrassed:

I had assumed from the way the commentators stress about lappers in the way and them moving and also Larry Brooks' rants over the last couple of years that the blue flag is enforcing lappers to move.

Big misunderstanding on my part!:puppydog:

[Triple Five]

Really???

I stand corrected then. :embarrassed:

I had assumed from the way the commentators stress about lappers in the way and them moving and also Larry Brooks' rants over the last couple of years that the blue flag is enforcing lappers to move.

Big misunderstanding on my part!:puppydog:

I may be completely wrong about this and will look like a huge prick if I'm wrong but I'm fairly sure that there is no rules pertaining to the blue flag. It's more of a heads up.

[Triple Five]

From the AMA rulebook:

5. LIGHT BLUE with DIAGONAL YELLOW STRIPE-indicates
you are about to be overtaken by faster riders. Hold your
line and do not impede their progress.

HMMMM

"Hold your line and do not impede their progress"

I guess you can make the case that Chisolm was holding his line but the case can also be made that he impeded Reed's progress. Either way, the blue flag doesn't mean you have to pull over at all.

[Aus_Rider_22]

Just did some research. It seems that there are rules pertaining to the blue flag in the AMA Supercross Rule Book!

"Light Blue Flag with Diagonal Yellow Stripe: Indicates you are about to be overtaken by faster riders. Hold your line and do not impede their progress. Riders disregarding this flag may be black-flagged at the discretion of Race Manager." http://www.amasupercross.com/rules/pdf/SX%202009%20Rulebook%20Final%20for%20web.pdf

Chisholm did in fact not follow this rule.

I can understand that Chisholm isn't the only one that has done it and shouldn't be penalised, but in the end, he was in the wrong!

[Triple Five]

Just did some research. It seems that there are rules pertaining to the blue flag in the AMA Supercross Rule Book!

"Light Blue Flag with Diagonal Yellow Stripe: Indicates you are about to be overtaken by faster riders. Hold your line and do not impede their progress. Riders disregarding this flag may be black-flagged at the discretion of Race Manager." http://www.amasupercross.com/rules/pdf/SX%202009%20Rulebook%20Final%20for%20web.pdf

Chisholm did in fact not follow this rule.

I can understand that Chisholm isn't the only one that has done it and shouldn't be penalised, but in the end, he was in the wrong!



I don't think that it's black and white. You could make the case that he held his line and it was Reed that chose to go in front of him.

[Aus_Rider_22]

Yeah that's true.

So Stewart still cleans up with a 2nd or 3rd place finish if Reed was to pull a win in Vegas?

[d dogg]

yea its 6 points i believe. if reed wins, stewart takes the title with a 3rd

[DBerg649]

I don't think that it's black and white. You could make the case that he held his line and it was Reed that chose to go in front of him.

:embarrassed::embarrassed::embarrassed: This whole time I had Kyle Cunningham in my mind... I am truly F'n retarded, haha...

Anyways, if Chisolm had someone on his ass and was battling for position, then I could understand how he could make the mistake of charging the corner to hard and something like that happening. Even if being blue flagged, a lapper should not give up a position in order to let the guy lapping him pass. But Chisolm could have easily let them both by like he did in that first corner, and kept himself out of a situation where he might impede the leaders and not have even gotten anywhere close to having to give up a position to anyone that was behind him. Maybe he didn't slow up Reed too much, and I really doubt it would have made any difference in the results either way.
But excuses and BS and potential team tactics and rider preference aside, you guys can't seriously believe that Chisolm wasn't in the wrong. Reed is high in the corner and Chisolm comes from the inside line without any kind of attempt at holding that inside line. Now me, I was just a Novice rider, but I knew that if a guy was taking an outside line in a corner and I went from inside and swept to the outside, I could generally cut that person off, so I'm sure Chisolm had a pretty good idea of that as well. Nobody was around Chisolm and he had plenty of time to make sure he wasn't in there way. I'm not saying JS or LB had anything to do with that, I highly doubt JS would feel like he needed it, but it doesn't change the fact that Chisolm shouldn't have been trying to run inside like he did when any moron could see that it would end up cutting off Reed's line.
The only reason I think it's good that Chisolm got suspended is not because Reed lost, cause that would have happened anyways, but any riders that may potentially do that again, need to know that they won't get away with it. The riders have enough obsticles working against them, they don't need other riders making their jobs more dangerous. Each situation is generally different and a few bumps here and there between racers is not a big deal, but blatant take out moves just because your pissed or whatever can't be tolerated. Chisolm and Lawrence both got what they deserved

[sharkmx62]

yea its 6 points i believe. if reed wins, stewart takes the title with a 3rd
Its gonna take some rough riding for Stewart to not win it. Anybody think Reed will go for a full-blown take-out to get it?

[Crash11]

Its gonna take some rough riding for Stewart to not win it. Anybody think Reed will go for a full-blown take-out to get it?
I tend to think Reed would try it if given the opportunity. I just don't think he'll get the opportunity. For this entire week I'm sure the Stewart crew is talking about what to do in any possibly scenario they can think of. Most likely Stewart will holeshot in front of Reed, and Reed doesn't get a chance.

[MXcouchRACER]

All I can say is look at the pics. If it isnt clear to you, then we just have a difference of opinion I guess. And like I said before, unless you have a crystal ball, the fact is Chisolm slowed Reed down and messed him up. There is NO arguing that, it is fact. The rest is all opinion, would Stewart have ran away, would Reed have passed him back? We dont know.

Agreed.

[MXcouchRACER]

I tend to think Reed would try it if given the opportunity. I just don't think he'll get the opportunity. For this entire week I'm sure the Stewart crew is talking about what to do in any possibly scenario they can think of. Most likely Stewart will holeshot in front of Reed, and Reed doesn't get a chance.

Yeah, I agree... I don't think Alessi would stoop down to that level and sacrifice his race, or cause the contraversy that would come along with it. If you look at all the years past that Stewart has raced Vegas against RC and CR - he has always ran away. If you also look at all of the races that Stewart and Reed have been in front, they have consistantly been 20-30 seconds ahead of 3rd place. Stewart doesn't have to do much to win the championship, and I am sure if Reed is on his tail for whatever reason, he would do the smart thing and let Reed by and just cruise in 2nd, and not risk the take out. My prediction is that Stewart will holeshot and take off though.

[sharkmx62]

Yeah, I agree... I don't think Alessi would stoop down to that level and sacrifice his race, or cause the contraversy that would come alone with it. If you look at all the years past that Stewart has raced Vegas against RC and CR - he has always ran away. If you also look at all of the races that Stewart and Reed have been in front, they have consistantly been 20-30 seconds ahead of 3rd place. Stewart doesn't have to do much to win the championship, and I am sure if Reed is on his tail for whatever reason, he would do the smart thing and let Reed by and just cruise in 2nd, and not risk the take out. My prediction is that Stewart will holeshot and take off though.
Thats what im thinking too. Stewart kills it at Vegas, he always flies there. Its gonna take a gnarly crash or a mechanical for him to lose this. Even if Reedy took him down he would still have plenty of time. Its looking like Stewie pretty much has it in the bag

[d dogg]

chad will definitely try to clean him out if hes given the opportunity. this is exactly how i see vegas going down:
1) first or second lap, reed and stewart will be 1 and 2, with reed riding like jlaw.
2) if james is in 2nd, he'll settle. if hes in first, he'll check out and not give reed the chance at a take out move.
3) i highly doubt alessi will get involved. it took him 3 years to win some fans back after his rookie year... he doesnt want controversy again. not to mention he has a great shot at the outdoor title and doesnt want to risk suspension/probation.

now that i think about it... if the 450's is run by FIM... can they take any punishments into the outdoors if needed?

[MXcouchRACER]

now that i think about it... if the 450's is run by FIM... can they take any punishments into the outdoors if needed?

Yes, the AMA and FIM are joint sanctioned... but in the end the AMA has the final say. I agree with your predictions though.

[sharkmx62]

now that i think about it... if the 450's is run by FIM... can they take any punishments into the outdoors if needed?
In America FIM has 450 SX only. AMA has SX 450/250 and MX 450/250 ruling.

[Triple Five]

Reed will get a bad start.

JS will get a top 5 start.

JS wins, Reeds cries.

[d dogg]

Reed will get a bad start.

JS will get a top 5 start.

JS wins, Reeds cries.

you forgot one...
...i get really drunk to celebrate for james!

[MXcouchRACER]

Stewart doesn't have to do much to win the championship, and I am sure if Reed is on his tail for whatever reason, he would do the smart thing and let Reed by and just cruise in 2nd, and not risk the take out. My prediction is that Stewart will holeshot and take off though.

Are you going into Vegas thinking you have to win that one, too?
I’m going into Vegas like I do every weekend. Nothing’s changed. Nothing changed tonight. I honestly didn’t have to win the race, but I wanted to. Everybody says it makes everything easier, but it just makes it more fun. I’m still going to work hard like I normally do, but honestly, if I get put in a situation like tonight, and I see a yellow bike coming in, maybe I’ll just say, “Here you go, man.” -James Stewart

[Falcon991]

James said, "Here you go man" a few times in SLC. I pointed that out to my wife when James had just made his first pass, but ended up on the outside in the left-hander after the section and Reed was about to send him into the cheap seats. Oh well, that's racing.

After reviewing the different video footage, I believe Chisholm could easily have backed off and let Reed run his race after all. Good call by the officials to black flag him. I still don't think there was any chance in Hell that Chad would have passed James, though.

[MXcouchRACER]

James said, "Here you go man" a few times in SLC. I pointed that out to my wife when James had just made his first pass, but ended up on the outside in the left-hander after the section and Reed was about to send him into the cheap seats. Oh well, that's racing.

After reviewing the different video footage, I believe Chisholm could easily have backed off and let Reed run his race after all. Good call by the officials to black flag him. I still don't think there was any chance in Hell that Chad would have passed James, though.

Agreed

[Crash11]

He probably could've backed off a little more, and he probably should've rolled that last step off. My biggest problem with all of this is Chisholm ran his line into the corner, bumped Reed a little but did NOT slow Reed down at all, and got DQ'ed. It annoys me that the people enforcing the DQ are so far removed from racing that they just don't understand. Chisholm had to run it fast into the corner because of the way the step off was built and how close it was to the corner. The other thing that ticks me off is Reed insinuating that Chisholm slowed him down and ruined the race for him after Reed himself blatently ran across the muddy part of a turn to hit Stewart into a tough block which slowed both of them down. If anything Reed should've been blacked flagged as well. Afterall, he ran into the points leader and slowed him down.

BTW, these arguements are all me playing devil's advocate. I don't think any of these hits (Lawrence into Hepler, Chisholm into Reed, or Reed into Stewart) warrant a black flag/penalty/DQ. It's big brother all the way, and it's ruining the sport.

[Triple Five]

There was a slow mo video that showed the contact between the two that showed Chisolm had the brakes locked up the whole time. I'll try to find the video again but I think it got clicked.

[MXcouchRACER]

He probably could've backed off a little more, and he probably should've rolled that last step off. My biggest problem with all of this is Chisholm ran his line into the corner, bumped Reed a little but did NOT slow Reed down at all, and got DQ'ed. It annoys me that the people enforcing the DQ are so far removed from racing that they just don't understand. Chisholm had to run it fast into the corner because of the way the step off was built and how close it was to the corner. The other thing that ticks me off is Reed insinuating that Chisholm slowed him down and ruined the race for him after Reed himself blatently ran across the muddy part of a turn to hit Stewart into a tough block which slowed both of them down. If anything Reed should've been blacked flagged as well. Afterall, he ran into the points leader and slowed him down.

BTW, these arguements are all me playing devil's advocate. I don't think any of these hits (Lawrence into Hepler, Chisholm into Reed, or Reed into Stewart) warrant a black flag/penalty/DQ. It's big brother all the way, and it's ruining the sport.

There was a slow mo video that showed the contact between the two that showed Chisolm had the brakes locked up the whole time. I'll try to find the video again but I think it got clicked.

Agreed, I got DVR and I have watched the race 4 times now (once when it aired, once to record it to DVD, once with dad, and once with fiance') I have watched it in slow mow and frame by frame. I don't think Chisolm anticipated for them to still be in the corner when he was going into it. Also, Chisolms Rear Wheel was about 6 inches to a foot off of the ground every single frame until he tapped Reed. Kinda like what happend last year when RV2 got on the front brake to hard and high sided over the berm. Chisolm was on the brakes hard! Also, I notices that just before he was going to hit Reed he turned his Wheel to the right to try to create that much more room between him and Reeds bike, I aslo don't see where people are coming up with that KC hit Reeds footpeg? Unless my TV recorded something different, Chisolms "fully turned" wheel hit the rear tire of Chad Reed's bike. In my opinion Chisolm did every thing possible not to collide with Reed. I don't understand why people think that because "you" are a slower rider that you have to risk bodilly harm or self sacrife yourself not to even be in the same space as a "faster rider".

Also, what happened after the race was a TOTAL show... with Reed pulling to the side of the track and just sitting there even after everyone had crossed the finish line and was up on the podium. Almost like,"Hey, look at me, I'm the victim."

[MXcouchRACER]

I also think that a TRUE champion would have closed that gap on Stewart after the tap from Chisolm, kinda like Stewart did when Reed put Stewart into the tuff blocks. Also if you go back and watch the race, Reed looked back at Chisolm the very next lap around before Chisolm got black flagged. I always like what Wharton said when asked about not looking back, he said something along the lines of "that there is no reason to look back, you race foward". Obveously Reed was not racing foward and was looking back paying to much attention to a lapped rider, there for Reed went backwards. I knew Reed was going to lose as soon as I saw Reed look back before Stewart passed him for the first time at SLC, just like Reed looked back at Jacksonville too. Stewart NEVER looks back (neither did RC because true champions race foward). I think Alessi would do a lot better if he would stop looking back, that guy looks back more than any rider I have ever seen.

[sharkmx62]

I also think that a TRUE champion would have closed that gap on Stewart after the tap from Chisolm, kinda like Stewart did when Reed put Stewart into the tuff blocks. Also if you go back and watch the race, Reed looked back at Chisolm the very next lap around before Chisolm got black flagged. I always like what Wharton said when asked about not looking back, he said something along the lines of "that there is no reason to look back, you race foward". Obveously Reed was not racing foward and was looking back paying to much attention to a lapped rider, there for Reed went backwards. I knew Reed was going to lose as soon as I saw Reed look back before Stewart passed him for the first time at SLC, just like Reed looked back at Jacksonville too. Stewart NEVER looks back (neither did RC because true champions race foward). I think Alessi would do a lot better if he would stop looking back, that guy looks back more than any rider I have ever seen.
While I actually agree with most of what you said, saying Stewart never looks back is crazy. I saw him in person cash 3 times while looking back. He was perhaps the worst about it. He has gotten better but when he was a rookie it was look back central. He still does it now just not nearly as much. I agree though, that Reed mentally lost the race for himself.

[MXcouchRACER]

While I actually agree with most of what you said, saying Stewart never looks back is crazy. I saw him in person cash 3 times while looking back. He was perhaps the worst about it. He has gotten better but when he was a rookie it was look back central. He still does it now just not nearly as much. I agree though, that Reed mentally lost the race for himself.


Agreed, thanks for the correction ;-) to say that he NEVER looks back is false - even RC looked back when he was way out in front, Stewart even Looked back on the last lap to see where Reed was, I guess I was trying to say that Stewart HARDLY looks back when someone is right on his tail, he usually looks back when he has a bit of a gap to see where he is.

[sharkmx62]

Agreed, thanks for the correction ;-) to say that he NEVER looks back is false - even RC looked back when he was way out in front, Stewart even Looked back on the last lap to see where Reed was, I guess I was trying to say that Stewart HARDLY looks back when someone is right on his tail, he usually looks back when he has a bit of a gap to see where he is.
Agreed

[MXcouchRACER]

Stewart--------------Reed
7) 0:52.556-------7) 0:52.242
8) 0:51.865-------8) 0:52.280
9) 0:54.837-----9) 0:53.681
10) 0:52.162-----10) 0:52.283
11) 0:51.995-----11) 0:52.406
12) 0:52.841-----12) 0:52.603
13) 0:51.695-----13) 0:53.385
14) 0:53.477----14) 0:53.364
15) 0:52.408-----15) 0:53.672
16) 0:52.564-----16) 0:53.390
17) 0:52.840-----17) 0:53.205
18) 0:53.584-----18) 0:54.849
19) 0:54.530-----19) 0:54.093
20) 0:55.925-----20) 0:55.873

The following times are the Official AMA lap times for SLC:

- Lap 9 is the official lap that Reed put Stewart into the tuff blocks. If you notice, Reed cost Stewart a full second.

-Lap 14 is the official lap that Chisolm "hit" Reed. Now I want you to look at lap 13-18 where Reed consecutivley was in the 53's and ask yourself," How much time did Chisolm cost Reed?"

The Officail AMA time difference between Stewart and Reed is 3.732.

Now look at the Underlined laps from 15-18. Stewart for 4 laps was a Second faster than Reed. 1 second faster + 4 laps ='s 4 second lead. On laps 19 and 20 Stewart and Reed where pulling the same lap times with Reed a couple hundreths of a second quicker EQUALING 3.732.

If you also notice, Reed was able to pull his consecutive 53's from lap 13 (the lap before the run-in with Chisolm) ALL the way to lap 17 (a couple of laps after Chisolm). Now ask yourself, how much time did Chisolm cost Reed?

If you will also notice, Reed was 100ths of a second FASTER than Stewart the lap that Chisolm "hit" Reed.

Simply put, Reed lost because Stewart was faster. There is NO evidence of Chisolm costing Reed ANY time, OR the race. ;-)

Source of Lap times: AMASupercross.com - 2009*Monster Energy AMA Supercross, an FIM World Championship results (http://home.ama-cycle.org/prorace/raceres/sx/racres.asp?cls=s2&snct=P9080&year=2009&type=m&rnum=1)

[d dogg]

awesome post. i wish chad reed would read what you just wrote :thumbsup:

[MXcouchRACER]

awesome post. i wish chad reed would read what you just wrote :thumbsup:

Thanks ;-) I wish everyone could see it that way... instead of pulling nothing out of the air claiming that Chisolm cost Reed the championship. You should see some of the post's out there, some of these people are NUTS.

[sharkmx62]

Only problem is, we dont know how Reed was doing that lap. Because it happened mid-lap he could have been on his way to the fastest lap of the night. Reed was catching up to Stewart. Just playing devils advocate here, I dont necessarily believe it myself.
I think it was Stewies either way, but I also think KC should have been disqualified that race. def not disqualified for Vegas though.

[MXcouchRACER]

Only problem is, we dont know how Reed was doing that lap. Because it happened mid-lap he could have been on his way to the fastest lap of the night. Reed was catching up to Stewart. Just playing devils advocate here, I dont necessarily believe it myself.
I think it was Stewies either way, but I also think KC should have been disqualified that race. def not disqualified for Vegas though.

Stewarts fastest lap of the night was a 51.695. on lap 13
Reeds fastest lap of the night was a 52.242 on lap 7

Stewart was 2 seconds faster than Reed on lap 13 than Reed - Also Reed was 100ths of a second faster than Stewart the lap Chisolm "Hit" Reed, but if you look at the lap times after that, Stewart was consistantly 1 second faster than Reed. If Reed was working on "the fastest lap of the night" - he should have re-grouped and chased Stewart down, just like Stewart chased Reed down after Reed cut the corner through the mud to hit Stewart. Stewart was able to get into the 51 second lap times 3 times that race. I still don't think that Chisolm had ANYTHING to do with Reed losing, but you can believe what you want.

[Case]

You guys are F'n blind if you think Chisolm didn't do that on purpose! Did you see the pic of him looking back right before that corner? And you're right he was hard on the breaks until stewart went by and then he just rode up the side of Chads bike! It was the best race of the season until that BS, I think even Stewart fans should be pissed.....but instead the majority of them seem to be blind!(although lots have come back and said after review they thought it was total BS on Chisolms part) Chad was right with him and running his pace for several laps, but I don't think catching him from behind is an option for him and he made mistakes. I just want to see a good race and that idiot Chisolm ruined the best one of the year!:no: You can compare lap times all you want, but you can't deny he robbed us of good racing even if it was for 1/2 of a lap! Shame on every Stewart fan defending Chisolm for his actions!:nono:

PS Lap times after an attempted take out prove something? Really?:blah::nono:

[MXcouchRACER]

The only person that is "F'n" blind it seems is to be you LoL - and what do lap times have to do with anything? Well smart one, if Reed supposedly lost all of this time like everyone is claiming.... where did it go? I also find it humorous that "we were robbed of a good race", when again... if you look at the lap times Chisolm didn't cost Reed ANYTHING. I am not defending Chisolm, and as of right now no one will know what Chisolms intentions were, you can look at it as a mistake, or if a Reed fan you can look at it as a blatend take out move, but when it all comes down to it, no one is denying that it was a Stupid move on Chisolms part, whether it was a mistake or intentional.

[Case]

That's the thing, I'm not a Reed fan so I'm not judging it with my riders best interest in mind! The move was clearly intentional, and although I'll give you the fact that Reed didn't lose alot of time there was a considerable gap after the incident and the bar to bar racing was over at that point.(that's what made me mad) There are plenty of people that share my view of what happened, and lots aren't Reed fans and even some Stewart fans. However, I've only known one set of people that share you're view from here and 3 other message boards, and they all happen to be on the Bubba bandwagon! What does that tell you?:wavey::lol:

[MXcouchRACER]

Again, I am not denying that it was a Stupid move that Chisolm made, regardless of whether it was on purpose or not, and again we will never know. All I am saying is look at the facts... You don't have to be on ANYONE's "bandwagon" to see the lap times.
Stewarts fastest lap of the night was a 51.695. on lap 13
Reeds fastest lap of the night was a 52.242 on lap 7
Stewart was able to get into the 51 second lap times 3 times that race. Reed was 100ths of a second faster than Stewart the lap Chisolm "Hit" Reed. Stewart for 4 laps was a Second faster than Reed. 1 second faster + 4 laps ='s 4 second lead. On laps 19 and 20 Stewart and Reed where pulling the same lap times with Reed a couple hundreths of a second quicker EQUALING 3.732. I still don't think that Chisolm had ANYTHING to do with Reed losing, but you can believe what you want.

[MXcouchRACER]

Reed talks a lot about "karma", and how Stewart will get what he deserves, but I think what happened to Reed in SLC was Karma's way of getting back at Reed for the attempted take out he tried to put on Stewart to "get back at him" from Jacksonville. I think it is childish and un-champion like for Reed to still want to "get back" at Stewart for no reason other than just racing.
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll35/mxvgforums/JSCR.jpg Also, take a look at this picture, I noticed it on TV but RacerX finally posted a picture of it, this was taken after Stewart passed Reed for the first time. The picture was taken just after Reed got done pointing at Stewart in the air. If you go back and watch the race, it was the very next corner that Reed tried to take Stewart out for the first time in that race, then when Stewart got by Reed again, Reed cut the corner and put Stewart in the tough blocks. One of my favorite quotes I have ever read was on the wall at Sports Clips (hair cut place) by a football player who said, "You will never move foward, if you are always trying to get Even." and that is what Reed was trying to do.

[d dogg]

case, i dont think any stewart fans back up chisolm on this one. it was a total bs move. but to think he cost the race and possibly the championship, everyone who seriously believes that is on crack.
its just another "reed excuse." that guy has been full of them since he came to america and its honestly getting really old.

[sharkmx62]

Again, I am not denying that it was a Stupid move that Chisolm made, regardless of whether it was on purpose or not, and again we will never know. All I am saying is look at the facts... You don't have to be on ANYONE's "bandwagon" to see the lap times.
Stewarts fastest lap of the night was a 51.695. on lap 13
Reeds fastest lap of the night was a 52.242 on lap 7
Stewart was able to get into the 51 second lap times 3 times that race. Reed was 100ths of a second faster than Stewart the lap Chisolm "Hit" Reed. Stewart for 4 laps was a Second faster than Reed. 1 second faster + 4 laps ='s 4 second lead. On laps 19 and 20 Stewart and Reed where pulling the same lap times with Reed a couple hundreths of a second quicker EQUALING 3.732. I still don't think that Chisolm had ANYTHING to do with Reed losing, but you can believe what you want.
All I know is before they hit reed was on his rear wheel. After they hit he was 2 seconds behind.

[sharkmx62]

case, i dont think any stewart fans back up chisolm on this one. it was a total bs move. but to think he cost the race and possibly the championship, everyone who seriously believes that is on crack.
its just another "reed excuse." that guy has been full of them since he came to america and its honestly getting really old.
Scoreboard. No matter how many excuses there are the facts remain, Reed has more SX championships. I belive he has more wins too, but im not gonna say that as fact

[d dogg]

Scoreboard. No matter how many excuses there are the facts remain, Reed has more SX championships. I belive he has more wins too, but im not gonna say that as fact

i should use the scoreboard actually.

James stewart........................ chad reed
2002 125 mx champion............... 2002 125 east sx champion
2003 125 west sx champion......... 2004 ama supercross champion
2004 125 east sx champion.......... 2008 ama supercross champion
2004 125 mx champion
2006 world supercross champion
2007 ama supercross champion
2008 ama motocross champion


i also want to note...james stewart is the only rider in the history of the sport to win EVERY professional title there is to win.

another thing to note... chad started racing supercross in 2003, james' first FULL season of supercross was 2006. so yes, reed has 1 more sx title than he does, with 2 (or arguably 3) more tries than james.

back to the championships.
stewart's 2002 125 mx championship, both raced a full season, james came out on top.
stewart's 2006 world sx championship, both raced a full season, james came out on top.
stewart's 2007 sx championship, both raced a full season, james came out on top.
reed's 2008 sx championship, reed won it with james on the sidelines. (all due respect... you gotta be in it to win it.)

at the end of the day, they raced a full season against each other a total of 3 times. james has 3, chad has 0, RC has 1. ('06 sx title)
scoreboard favors stewart, in my opinion!

[MXcouchRACER]

All I know is before they hit reed was on his rear wheel. After they hit he was 2 seconds behind.

Stewart -------------Reed
14) 0:53.477----14) 0:53.364 (Chisolm hit Reed on lap 14)

Again, I just don't see how it cost Reed two seconds, unless Reed was going to hit a 51 that lap - wich is unlikely because he hadn't hit a 51 all night, not even in practice, and if he was running 2 seconds a lap faster than Stewart that lap, Reed would have blown by Stewart, not been on his rear wheel. Visually, you watch the race and yes, Stewart opened up a gap on Reed, but it's because he was almost consistantly a full second faster than Reed. The gap was opened up because Stewart was faster, just like Stewart closed the gap on Reed on lap 13 when Stewart hit a 51 and Reed was only in the 53's... not because Chisolm cost Reed any time. The lie that people believe is that of what they were told by Ralph Shaheen in the show, that Chisolm cost Reed 1.7 Seconds, but the lap times just don't show it. You can blame Chisolm all you want, but Stewart buckled down and put in some hot laps 15-18 to open up that gap. The numbers don't lie... Stewart for 4 laps was a Second faster than Reed. 1 second faster + 4 laps ='s 4 second lead. On laps 19 and 20 Stewart and Reed where pulling the same lap times with Reed a couple hundreths of a second quicker EQUALING 3.732.

[Crash11]

Anyone who actually saw the collision between Chisholm and Reed should already know the answer to this. There's no way Reed lost any time. You can tell by the nature of the hit, and how Reed was able to go through the turn just as if Chisholm was never there.

Also, lol'ing at Case arguing about perception of things. He's so old he probably can't see the TV without his glasses.

[Case]

All I know is before they hit reed was on his rear wheel. After they hit he was 2 seconds behind.
Anyone that denies he lost time is blind, even though it wasn't much he was right there before the incident!:no: Remember that I'm not a Reed fan, I was only upset because it was bar to bar up to that point and it messed up the best race this year!

And kiss my arse Crash, I'll be another year older tomorrow!:puppydog::roflmao:

[Crash11]

Anyone that denies he lost time is blind, even though it wasn't much he was right there before the incident!:no: Remember that I'm not a Reed fan, I was only upset because it was bar to bar up to that point and it messed up the best race this year!

And kiss my arse Crash, I'll be another year older tomorrow!:puppydog::roflmao:Happy birthday old man.

[Case]

Happy birthday old man.
I actually put my glasses on and read this, thanks man!:drinking::lol:

[Derek]

i should use the scoreboard actually.




Chad was in the 125's for a year. He wanted the 250's as soon as he came over. James used all 3 years like a *****.

[devindavis410]

Reed used chisholm as an excuse for james beating him

but chisholm totally was gonna clean out chad even if he didnt clip the on-off

[d dogg]

Chad was in the 125's for a year. He wanted the 250's as soon as he came over. James used all 3 years like a *****.

like a... smart kid? chad shouldve taken notes, look how it benefitted a psycho big bike rider.
kinda sad that chad has been in the class 2-3 years longer and james already has 1 more championship than chad... and about to make it 2 more.

[sharkmx62]

like a... smart kid? chad shouldve taken notes, look how it benefitted a psycho big bike rider.
kinda sad that chad has been in the class 2-3 years longer and james already has 1 more championship than chad... and about to make it 2 more.
James has one more?? Where did you get that? Chad has 2 SX titles, Stewie has 1. And I honestly think James staying in the 125 class only hurt himself. I mean he crashed out of his first 250 year at the second round. Does that mean he should have been in the stepping stone for 4 years? Chad didnt even want his one year in the lites class but was forced to.

[DBerg649]

James has one more?? Where did you get that? Chad has 2 SX titles, Stewie has 1. And I honestly think James staying in the 125 class only hurt himself. I mean he crashed out of his first 250 year at the second round. Does that mean he should have been in the stepping stone for 4 years? Chad didnt even want his one year in the lites class but was forced to.

But he was already racing 250's (2-strokes) before coming to the U.S. right? Yamaha just wanted him to debut the 250F in the 125 class. Or am I completely mistaken?

[sharkmx62]

But he was already racing 250's (2-strokes) before coming to the U.S. right? Yamaha just wanted him to debut the 250F in the 125 class. Or am I completely mistaken?
yes Chad had a 250 career in Europe and wanted to race 250's here in America. . Yamaha forced him into the already proven 250F. Fonseca and Roncada already had successful 250F careers. Actually if im not mistaken MC tried hard to get Reed as his teamate but Yamaha wanted Reed on a 250F and threatened MCs program if he pursued Reed more

[d dogg]

James has one more?? Where did you get that? Chad has 2 SX titles, Stewie has 1. And I honestly think James staying in the 125 class only hurt himself. I mean he crashed out of his first 250 year at the second round. Does that mean he should have been in the stepping stone for 4 years? Chad didnt even want his one year in the lites class but was forced to.
well, if you include the mx title and world sx title along with the 07 sx title, i got 3.
and yea, i think no matter what decision he made he wouldve wrecked himself on that kx250. he rode it wfo like his 125... and it bit him multiple times.
chad rode a kawasaki in the 125's in europe, i thought, right?

[sharkmx62]

well, if you include the mx title and world sx title along with the 07 sx title, i got 3.
and yea, i think no matter what decision he made he wouldve wrecked himself on that kx250. he rode it wfo like his 125... and it bit him multiple times.
chad rode a kawasaki in the 125's in europe, i thought, right?
fom wiki " After winning the Australian Supercross Championship in 2000, Reed went to Europe in 2001 to ride for Jan DeGroot's factory Kawasaki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kawasaki_Heavy_Industries) team. Reed was a revelation aboard his KX250, winning the Grand Prix of Lierop and eventually finishing the year second to multi-time World Champion Mickael Pichon." Well if were counting WSX and MX then they are tied. Chad has 2 SX titles and 1 WSX. James has 1 sx, 1 WSX, and 1 MX.

[valvesR4pussies]

Chad was in the 125's for a year. He wanted the 250's as soon as he came over. James used all 3 years like a *****.


Thank god he used all three years. Or this wouldn't have happened...


http://lh3.ggpht.com/__GhrbGcKfqk/Rr-45zAsIJI/AAAAAAAABds/ZBT9K3FqIuM/012_9.JPG

[MXcouchRACER]

I thought it was a requirement for riders coming from across seas to have to race the Lites class before they move up to the big bikes for at least one year by the AMA :-/ Also, James used all 3 years like a *****. This has got to be one of the dumbest things I have read. I don't know where you have been, but in interviews with Ricky Carmichael, Carmichaels biggest REGRET was not staying in the lites class for the full 3 years. Also Emig has commented on that too, and one of the things that Ryan Villopoto has been praised about is "staying in the lites class for a full 3 years". I do think though that Reed moving up to the big bikes when he did was a good decision, because it gave him the chance to win 2 SX titles with two full seasons of Ricky Carmichael or James Stewart not being there.

[d dogg]

I thought it was a requirement for riders coming from across seas to have to race the Lites class before they move up to the big bikes for at least one year by the AMA :-/ Also, This has got to be one of the dumbest things I have read. I don't know where you have been, but in interviews with Ricky Carmichael, Carmichaels biggest REGRET was not staying in the lites class for the full 3 years. Also Emig has commented on that too, and one of the things that Ryan Villopoto has been praised about is "staying in the lites class for a full 3 years". I do think though that Reed moving up to the big bikes when he did was a good decision, because it gave him the chance to win 2 SX titles with two full seasons of Ricky Carmichael or James Stewart not being there.

amen.

[MXcouchRACER]

" Do you remember when Mike Brown won his 125 MX title in 2001? He was battling KTM rider Grant Langston at the time and the points were close all the way to the end. At one of the final rounds the KTM team manager gave team orders for all KTM riders to take out Mike Brown if given the chance. Steve Boniface actually sat out a round because he refused to follow those orders. They literally took the wheels off his bike.

Follow me here. In 2005, Ivan Tedesco (http://www.racerxonline.com/rider/ivan-tedesco.aspx) won the 250F MX championship but not before a strange debacle with Mike Alessi at the final round. That’s where Alessi almost blew Ivan out of his boots in a corner and then proceeded to stand on his bike so he couldn’t get going.

Last weekend Kyle Chisholm pulled a move that was totally out of character for the once-thought-of-as-friendly Floridian. Regardless of what any press releases say, Kyle was rolling around the track and then jumped in right behind James as he went by, cutting Chad Reed off and forcing him to the outside of the track. Then he rocketed down the next section and almost punted Chad off the track. It was obvious what was going on. It was very obvious.

The common denominator from all those seasons? Larry Brooks was the team manager for each of the offending riders. Maybe Kyle isn’t the one that deserves the fine. "

" The most telling piece of evidence here, and I haven’t seen a photo of it yet, is Kyle’s pit board that allegedly said “Good job” the lap after the incident. I didn’t see it, but I’ve spoken to several people who did. Again, if a photo of that surfaces, it will be very telling."

:-/ I will defend Chisolm, because I honestly think the guy is a good guy, but I won't defend Brooks. Kinda ticks me off :upset: that Brooks would put his riders in these positions to where if you don't follow team orders, your fired. Not fair to them or their career.

-There is also rumor that when James found out the truth about "team orders" that he contacted his lawyer and is trying to get out of his L&M contract.
(which may be the reason that he didn't show up to the LV press confrence)

This maybe just another internet rumor, but if it isn't... I wouldn't blame Stewart. Why would James Stewart want to jepordize his career or reputation due to a crummy team manager. Stewart wants to win straight up, not by team orders. You can tell this because every chance that Stewart has had a chance to CLEAN Reed out, he hasn't.

[sharkmx62]

Couch, everyone knows LB is a ******. I wouldnt be surprised if he had something to do with it. I really dont think bubbles had a part of it but LB does what it takes to win. You cant argue that.

No you dont have to race lites here first, its just hard to get a ride if you dont. And if Chad waited 3 years like Bubbles he would still have his last championship. And Reed won his first year, so had he continued that pattern he would have only been allowed 2 yrs in the lites.

[MXcouchRACER]

well put

[sharkmx62]

Maybe it was a sarcastic Good Job from his mechanic :-D

[MXcouchRACER]

Maybe it was a sarcastic Good Job from his mechanic :-D


LoL :lol: maybe...

[DBerg649]

It was probably Obama

[Falcon991]

James showed up at the autograph signing last night, if that tells you anything.

[pCp 450]

Fact is, Reed had reeled in Stewart right before the incident. But after Chisholm cheaply took his line, Stewart had gapped him to nearly the next corner. Chisholm did cause Reed to LOOSE time, in perhaps the most crucial time of the race, who is to say that Reed could not have taken the lead in that same corner that Chisholm hit him in? Lap times are exactly that, they dont mean ****. Yes, no doubt Stewart is quicker on a bike but this championship proves that you don't have to be the quickest to win. Don't believe me, check out this video. They were neck and neck right before Chisholm blatantly went for the takeout.
YouTube - Chisholm Reed

[DBerg649]

Wow, I hope some crazy **** is going on at Vegas right now, because this topic needs to die out already