Steroids?

[Triple Five]

Someone switches trainers recently to a person who grew up in cycling

comes back exceptionally fast from a bad injury

looks slimmer and in way better shape than they were just a few months prior

has a drastic noticeable change in the amount of energy and endurance




Looks like the signs of EPO and steroid use to me. I'm finally lifting my blinders to what is going on in our sport. Large amounts of money, extremely low testing standards in a sport where endurance and energy is so crucial. What's holding anyone back?

[Demon]

What about the guy in your sig he had the same trainer?

[Triple Five]

He's been accused to and I wouldn't be surprised if it was true. The same story can be made for him to.

[offspring22]

Everyone is on steroids! Asterisks next to everyone's name! There are no true champions!

[Triple Five]

Everyone is on steroids! Asterisks next to everyone's name! There are no true champions!


Thanks for your input.

[Sheriff]

I've been in elite sports in the past and pretty close to national team coaches and I can tell you, there is NO WAY someone can be at its peak year-round like the top guys do. Naturally I mean.

[IGASAURUS]

I've always just wanted to believe these guys were just exceptional at training for the sport, but alot of riders seem to recover amazingly fast from certain injuries and what not. Doesn't seem normal, the kind of shape the top guys are in. :shrug:

[Jarid332]

They don't test for it, so why not? Millions of dollars on the line.

It's not like the major sports where they can ride the bench maybe go in for a few a few minutes and still make 500K- to over a mil a year.

[Tubesteak Cowboy]

Wouldn't surprise me one bit. Those guy's arent getting in shape like that with power bars and muscle milk.

[Patrick]

Read this article and your suspicions will be gone. Taking steroids is a lot more involved than a lot of you think. They have to be taken on a constant basis and you have to dedicate your entire life to building your body. It isn't like you just pop some steroids and go kick ass on everybody.

From Mr Average ... to superman: Craig Davidson's account of using steroids | Health and wellbeing | Life and Health (http://lifeandhealth.guardian.co.uk/health/story/0,,2280111,00.html)

Long article, but seriously, read it. If you're going to accuse riders of using steroids, at least know something about them.

[Tubesteak Cowboy]

Read this article and your suspicions will be gone. Taking steroids is a lot more involved than a lot of you think. They have to be taken on a constant basis and you have to dedicate your entire life to building your body. It isn't like you just pop some steroids and go kick ass on everybody.

From Mr Average ... to superman: Craig Davidson's account of using steroids | Health and wellbeing | Life and Health (http://lifeandhealth.guardian.co.uk/health/story/0,,2280111,00.html)

Long article, but seriously, read it. If you're going to accuse riders of using steroids, at least know something about them.That's not entirely true, you see results pretty quickly after taking them, but you need to be on a consistent, continuous cycle. Once you stop using them you lose what you gained.

[MotoSquid]

There are several kinds of PEDs out there not just the ones that build muscles. There are ones that build strength while losing weight and there are ones that speed up recovery time. Those are the two used by riders.

Think of your favorite rider in the past 4 or 5 years and I gaurantee he used recovery drugs. in that same time I would be willing to say that same guy had a 75% chance he used strength building drugs. When I turned pro I have used PEDs to gain weight and strength. I was a little guy when I turned pro and i would train and train but never get any bigger, genes are a *****. In 6 weeks I was a different person. I was leaner stronger and had more endurance.

Riders train hard in the off season and tear their bodys down, they use recovery drugs to work out harder and longer then normal. They use strength drugs to build up muscle durring the off season. They use recovery drugs during the season to maintain it becouse with out them your body wont let you work out hard during the season becouse it wont recover enough for sunday.

Riders tear their bodys down so often that its easy to get a disease like Epstien bar or Cronyic Fatuge Syndrome. You can only push your body so far before it says uncle. If they use recovery drugs they can push their bodys beyond its normal is capacity. when you train for 3 hours a day plus do a couple hours of motos its hard to get your body to recover.
I wont talk bad about any rider taking PEDs, its part of life. If you want it bad enough you do what it takes or you settle for not winning.

[odeezie]

Can you guys hook me up with some roids? :thumbsup:

[Tubesteak Cowboy]

There are several kinds of PEDs out there not just the ones that build muscles. There are ones that build strength while losing weight and there are ones that speed up recovery time. Those are the two used by riders.

Think of your favorite rider in the past 4 or 5 years and I gaurantee he used recovery drugs. in that same time I would be willing to say that same guy had a 75% chance he used strength building drugs. When I turned pro I have used PEDs to gain weight and strength. I was a little guy when I turned pro and i would train and train but never get any bigger, genes are a *****. In 6 weeks I was a different person. I was leaner stronger and had more endurance.

Riders train hard in the off season and tear their bodys down, they use recovery drugs to work out harder and longer then normal. They use strength drugs to build up muscle durring the off season. They use recovery drugs during the season to maintain it becouse with out them your body wont let you work out hard during the season becouse it wont recover enough for sunday.

Riders tear their bodys down so often that its easy to get a disease like Epstien bar or Cronyic Fatuge Syndrome. You can only push your body so far before it says uncle. If they use recovery drugs they can push their bodys beyond its normal is capacity. when you train for 3 hours a day plus do a couple hours of motos its hard to get your body to recover.
I wont talk bad about any rider taking PEDs, its part of life. If you want it bad enough you do what it takes or you settle for not winning.True, I don't think any different of anyone. With the level that motocross is at right now it's absolutely necessary. If you know about weight training/nutrition/body function you know that there's no way you could be nearly as successful without some help from performance enhancers.

[Tubesteak Cowboy]

Can you guys hook me up with some roids? :thumbsup:PM me for a special discount

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Before anyone has a heart attack no they're not mine, they're one of my friends

[Triple Five]

Read this article and your suspicions will be gone. Taking steroids is a lot more involved than a lot of you think. They have to be taken on a constant basis and you have to dedicate your entire life to building your body. It isn't like you just pop some steroids and go kick ass on everybody.

From Mr Average ... to superman: Craig Davidson's account of using steroids | Health and wellbeing | Life and Health (http://lifeandhealth.guardian.co.uk/health/story/0,,2280111,00.html)

Long article, but seriously, read it. If you're going to accuse riders of using steroids, at least know something about them.


Muscle building steroids is a whole different deal.

[odeezie]

I need shredding steroids to get my fat ass into shape...PM me for address.

[Jarid332]

I need shredding steroids to get my fat ass into shape...PM me for address.

Go for a run fattie.

[LEE3383]

I can tell not many of you know much about steroids.

One thing is for certain... it is used by athletes way more than you think. How do I know? My parents were body builders when I was growing up and I learned alot about them. And once you understand them, it becomes obvious who is using and who is not.

Im not saying every rider does them, or that I know everything. I am just saying it is used more than you may think. Most athletes with money can get away with it no problem. Olympic athletes have been ahead of the game since day one. The have there own team of people creating undetectable ways of getting an edge. The age of gene doping and genetic modification is already here for some. You have no idea how deep this goes until you do your research.

And its not true that you loose everything you gained when you stop. Thats false.

It is no magic pill either. It takes alot of hard work and if you don't know what you are doing, it can actually put you in worse physical shape.

I would bet that at least 50% of the top 20 riders are on some form of synthetic hormones and the smart ones are beyond hormones.

Americas hero Lance Armstrong can tell you all about it.

[odeezie]

Go for a run fattie.

:upset::upset::upset:

What the hell is a "run" That word has been removed from the english language. It has been replace with Cheesburger.

[MotoSquid]

I can tell not many of you know much about steroids.

One thing is for certain... it is used by athletes way more than you think. How do I know? My parents were body builders when I was growing up and I learned alot about them. And once you understand them, it becomes obvious who is using and who is not.

Im not saying every rider does them, or that I know everything. I am just saying it is used more than you may think. Most athletes with money can get away with it no problem. Olympic athletes have been ahead of the game since day one. The have there own team of people creating undetectable ways of getting an edge. The age of gene doping and genetic modification is already here for some. You have no idea how deep this goes until you do your research.

And its not true that you loose everything you gained when you stop. Thats false.

It is no magic pill either. It takes alot of hard work and if you don't know what you are doing, it can actually put you in worse physical shape.

I would bet that at least 50% of the top 20 riders are on some form of synthetic hormones and the smart ones are beyond hormones.

Americas hero Lance Armstrong can tell you all about it.
Your right I dont know ****.Dont know nothing about dieting either, why dont you fill me in on who is using them in MX. I mean its so obvious and all.

[ronronmx]

....oh boy, that's a subject i stopped trying to talk about, because no matter what, there's always gonna be athletes that take PED's and there's always gonna be people that turn their head the other way (I'm talking about high placed peeps within the industry).

I never did any PED's or anything like that, and i've always resented riders that do. But sometimes I wonder if i shouldn't have done it....Do you know how frustrating it was for me when I was racing 250's ? I'm not gonna use any names here but it was so hard to keep up physically and mentally against guys that 1. Train hard, 2. Were fast, 3. Were on PED's all year long.
Now you can't expect to take PED's and start wining motos....that's not how it works. But when you give them to a rider that already trains hard and goes fast, then it makes a big difference. I always wondered how most of the top guys could stay healthy all year long, both physically and mentally...well, i say i always wondered but in the back of my mind i knew exactly what was going on.

Bottom line is, it's never gonna change and it's probably gonna get worse. I just hope that people start to understand that a lot of riders are not doing this alone and turning into mean lean machines by eating their veggies everyday....:wonder:

But even tho PED's are a bigger part in MX then most people think, you can't take away all the sacrifices, long and hard training hours and motivation that you need in order to be on top from the riders. Motocross is one of the hardest sports in the world, with or without PED's.

[Demon]

Calling them steroids is incorrect, steroids conjur up thoughts of muscle bound meat heads. Performance enhancing drugs is the correct term. Seems like symantics but from Pat's response I think some people get confused. PEDS enhance performance you can find one to suit your needs. PEDS are certainly in MX they made their way over from cycling and frankly they will be here to stay. The AMA can't even test for lead in fuel with accurate results how could they test for PEDS? Especially since organization like the IOC with mulit million dollar budgets has a hard time keeping up with the technology of PEDS.

EDIT* Ronron makes a good point PEDS can't make you win motos or hit hime runs but they can keep you at peak performance longer.

P.S. Squid I don't think Lee was directing that at you

[LEE3383]

Your right I dont know ****.Dont know nothing about dieting either, why dont you fill me in on who is using them in MX. I mean its so obvious and all.

No need for me to name riders as I wouldn't be 100% correct. It would be rude. But read ronron's post if you don't believe what I say.

Ronron, that really sucks man. Even though I don't think the government has a right to tell you what you can and can't put into your body, I hate to see riders having a hard time making it because they don't want to do something illegal. Its not quite fair and Im not sure what the solution is. I respect the racing career you had and all your hard work you put into it.

I definetly think most people are naive on the subject. Most know what is going on but nobody really talks about it. Its even the same at most gym's. After going to the same gym for a year I figured out that over half of the people there were on something. Most you wouldn't even know unless you knew what it meant when people whispered things like test, winny, deca, dbol, PCT, ect.

[LEE3383]

Calling them steroids is incorrect, steroids conjur up thoughts of muscle bound meat heads. Performance enhancing drugs is the correct term. Seems like symantics but from Pat's response I think some people get confused. PEDS enhance performance you can find one to suit your needs. PEDS are certainly in MX they made their way over from cycling and frankly they will be here to stay. The AMA can't even test for lead in fuel with accurate results how could they test for PEDS? Especially since organization like the IOC with mulit million dollar budgets has a hard time keeping up with the technology of PEDS.

EDIT* Ronron makes a good point PEDS can't make you win motos or hit hime runs but they can keep you at peak performance longer.

P.S. Squid I don't think Lee was directing that at you

:thumbsup:

Good points.

and yea, squid, I wasn't directing towards you. Just giving everyone a reminder that its best not to throw out false facts.

[MotoSquid]

Steph Thats what people dont understand, how hard mentally it is too. When they are in that much better shape they have a mental edge also. I dont know about you, but a SX main for me was mentally draining more then it was physically. To be so focused having to hit every rythem section the same and adjust to the track every lap was more tiring to me then the race.

[motodrew295]

What's something safe and leagal to take to help with performance?

[d dogg]

it makes me so angry when someone works their @$$ off all year long, just to have someone say "steroids." thats my two cents on this issue, and i'll leave it at that.

[LEE3383]

What's something safe and leagal to take to help with performance?

Protein, creatine, amino acids, Glutamine (for recovery) is good stuff. :thumbsup:

[MotoSquid]

Protein, creatine, amino acids, Glutamine (for recovery) is good stuff. :thumbsup:I think with a good diet you can get all the protein you need but the rest is spot on.

[LEE3383]

I think with a good diet you can get all the protein you need but the rest is spot on.

Yea, sometimes its hard though. Depends on what your doing though I guess. If your bodybuilding you usually strive for at least 1 gram for each pound of body weight. More like 1.5 actually.

So protein drinks come in handy.

[Triple Five]

it makes me so angry when someone works their @$$ off all year long, just to have someone say "steroids." thats my two cents on this issue, and i'll leave it at that.


No one is calling out anyone here. But there definitely are cheaters at the top and to think different is ridiculous.

[IGASAURUS]

No one is calling out anyone here. But there definitely are cheaters at the top and to think different is ridiculous.

Are they really "cheating" when there are no current rules against it?

[Demon]

Are they really "cheating" when there are no current rules against it?

Well put this way is it honest? I mean are they up front about it or are they deceptive?

[Triple Five]

Are they really "cheating" when there are no current rules against it?


Do you know for sure that PED's are allowed in MX because I'm pretty sure they are not. Regardless of the fact that these drugs are illegal to possess and use in the United States.

[ronronmx]

Protein, creatine, amino acids, Glutamine (for recovery) is good stuff. :thumbsup:

Actually "creatine" is pretty bad for riders, because if you take too much of it, it increases arm pump a lot. If you're racing mx, you should stay away from creatine.

[Tubesteak Cowboy]

Actually "creatine" is pretty bad for riders, because if you take too much of it, it increases arm pump a lot. If you're racing mx, you should stay away from creatine.yeah anything like that that forces water into you muscles is good for a great pump at the gym but not so great for actual function on the track. Essentially (I know this will cause a disagreement) creatine just makes you look bigger than you really are by forcing water in between the fibers of your muscles. Like squid said you can get most of your protein from natural sources but a casein protein like Muscle Milk or something similar is good for before bed, it digests much slower than whey (45 min-1 hour vs. 6-7 hours) which is helpful because sleep is a catabolic period for your body so it's helpful in recovery.

[Sheriff]

Actually "creatine" is pretty bad for riders, because if you take too much of it, it increases arm pump a lot. If you're racing mx, you should stay away from creatine.
Creatine has also been proven to diminish cardiovascular capacity in athletes.

I have had good results with glutamine, and for arm pump I use a good calcium/magnesium tablet before I put my gear on if I feel the need (which I don't since I started warming up properly).

[Tenacious K]

Hey, for someone who doesn't want to do pages of reading on the subject, whats the difference between a steroid and a supplement?

[Tubesteak Cowboy]

Hey, for someone who doesn't want to do pages of reading on the subject, whats the difference between a steroid and a supplement?You're going to have to be more specific. Supplement as in like Creatine?

[Tenacious K]

Like any of the typical legal supplements versus illegal steroids.

[IGASAURUS]

Do you know for sure that PED's are allowed in MX because I'm pretty sure they are not. Regardless of the fact that these drugs are illegal to possess and use in the United States.

No I don't, I haven't actually looked in the rule book. I was kinda figuring that since I've never heard about any cases/scandles (and nobody has brought any up so far) that there weren't rules on it? :shrug:

[Tubesteak Cowboy]

Like any of the typical legal supplements versus illegal steroids.There's really no short answer possible.

[motodrew295]

Actually "creatine" is pretty bad for riders, because if you take too much of it, it increases arm pump a lot. If you're racing mx, you should stay away from creatine.

Yeah I thought creatine is for guys looking to get big, I want to do what squid said and get lean. Is protein to be taken just after workingout/riding or everyday regardless of what you do? My brother is into getting all meathead like and pretty much gave up riding and lives in the gym. He takes some crap he buys off Ebay called "animal stack" and it seems to be bulking him up but for some reason I doubt it is good for him?

[Tubesteak Cowboy]

Yeah I thought creatine is for guys looking to get big, I want to do what squid said and get lean. Is protein to be taken just after workingout/riding or everyday regardless of what you do? My brother is into getting all meathead like and pretty much gave up riding and lives in the gym. He takes some crap he buys off Ebay called "animal stack" and it seems to be bulking him up but for some reason I doubt it is good for him?Protein is important to take right after your workout ( like a powder) but you should also have a steady intake of protein throughout the day. If you're trying to gain some lean muscle you should take in about 80% of your lean body weight in grams of protein total per day. There are also different kinds of protein powders (whey and casein). Whey is what you want to take right after your workout as it is digested quickly ( about 45 min) and gets the nutrients into your system quickly. Casein is a much slower digesting protein and is good for before bed, the 6-7 hour digestion period is good since sleep is a catabolic time for your body, thus aiding in your recovery over night .On training days you need to be careful with your protein, but you do not need quite as much on rest days, you could probably lower it to >100g. Protein also helps in maintaining your gains though, so try not to drop off too much. Supplements like the Animal Stack can be pretty scary and dangerous, you really need to do your homework on that kind of stuff that ****ss with your body chemistry. If you want to know more there's an entire section over at the bodybuilding.com forums covering stuff like the best supplements as well as the science behind them. You can find that here-
Supplements - Bodybuilding.com Forums (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1)
Supplement Wars! - Bodybuilding.com Forums (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/forumdisplay.php?f=48)
Supplement Science - Bodybuilding.com Forums (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/forumdisplay.php?f=70)
Here's the index for anyone else interested, most **most** of these guys really know their stuff, it's a great resource if you're looking for general workout information, not just Mr. Olympia type ****.

Bodybuilding.com Forums - Bodybuilding And Fitness Board (http://forum.bodybuilding.com)

[LEE3383]

Hmmm.... some good posts.

Creatine from my experience does fill you up with water. Thats actually why I don't take it. It makes me look softer. It does however improve my performance in the gym. It helps me lift a little more and push out a couple extra reps than I normally would which in the long run, can help you grow (cause your able to workout harder). I guess ronron has a point though that it wouldn't be good for mx. I never really tested it when I was riding alot so I don't know but it makes sense.

When building muscle you want the biggest pump possible but when you are riding, you don't want any pump at all. So it depends on what your going after. I talked to steve lamson (went to my gym) many times about how to work out for moto and its waaay different than if you wanna look good. He does really high reps with lighter weight and doesn't really allow himself to get sore. Its all what your after I guess.

As far as the difference between steriods and supplements... the long answer is this....

Steroids are typically a synthetic version of a natural hormone. Testosterone is the most popular steroid and its just a synthetic version of what your body produces naturally. Granted, you are able to get more of it since your body only produces so much and the average steroid user takes 10x whats natural. There are many benefits to testosterone but there are also some side effects with high doses such as acne, shrinking of balls (because your body no longer needs to produce). Some people, a small percentage experience worse side effects such as hair loss, irritability and such. But in my experience these people are already prone to hair loss and are usually jerks before they do anything anyways.... the drugs just make it worse.

HRT (hormone replacement therapy) is becoming increasingly popular in older men and people with low natural test production. This is done with supervision from a doctor and legal. The older you get the less test you produce hence the muscle loss deteration of the body.

HGH (human growth hormone) is the holy grail of steroids right now. A lot of A list celeberties use this stuff because A, it is real expensive, and B, because it burns fat and builds muscle at the same time. This drug was discovered when trying to find a way for midgets to grow. It will make your bones grow and change appearance also. I will admit that I don't know much about this drug.

Thats a basic overview of what steroids are. There are many different kinds and forms however. Some are 100% safe and some are down right knarly and produce horrible side effects. This is usually what you hear in the media. 90% of what you hear is crap and not true.

Supplements... these are usually just concentrated nutrients that are proven to help the body grow and be healthy. Creatine can actually be found in meat (especially red meat) but to get 5g of it, you would need to eat many pounds of meat. So supplements are easier to get what you need to your body. I will note that most supplements are crap and have little scientific data to back up their claims. Its a multi-billion dollar industry that profits from ripping you off. So be aware.

So in short... supplements are sources of naturally found nutrients in a concentrated form, and steroids are synthetic versions of hormones found in our bodies.

The steroids I describe are probably not good for mx and they increase the amount of red blood cells in your body and give you insane pumps. Good for muscle, bad for moto. But there are forms of steroids that improve indurance.

Sorry for the long post but I wanted to fully answer the question as best as I could. I could be factually wrong on a few things as Its been years since I studied the stuff.

[Triple Five]

Lee also forgot to mention what is probably being used in MX which is EPO. EPO is one tool used in blood doping which boosts the number of red blood cells that care oxygen to the muscles.

[Tubesteak Cowboy]

HGH (human growth hormone) is the holy grail of steroids right now. A lot of A list celeberties use this stuff because A, it is real expensive, and B, because it burns fat and builds muscle at the same time. This drug was discovered when trying to find a way for midgets to grow. It will make your bones grow and change appearance also. I will admit that I don't know much about this drug.

Yeah, HGH isn't really a drug, it occurs naturally in high doses in teens, until you're about 20. That's why it's much easier to get big when youre younger.

[Sheriff]

Does any of you know what would be a good replacement for whey protein, for someone who is intolerant to it?

[Tubesteak Cowboy]

Does any of you know what would be a good replacement for whey protein, for someone who is intolerant to it?You could try Soy protein. Are you lactose intolerant? Your protein might have milk in it.

[Sheriff]

Nope. I am intolerant to whey.

[Tubesteak Cowboy]

Nope. I am intolerant to whey.Eat meat,fish, and poultry during the day and go for a casein protein before bed.

[DC323]

Off topic but something that sucks...

I bulked up a lot over fall and winter and made some good gains in muscle mass.. went from 160 to 190 (although not all muscle) but I thought I looked a lot better, fuller, since I'm 6'2" and naturally skinny.

I started racing again and realized I needed to change my training. I also started a new job and had less time to eat... coupled with the new extensive amount of cardio and riding made me lose a lot of what I gained. Now I'm back down to 175 and pretty ripped which is better than 160 I guess... but I really wanted to reach atleast 200 ripped up. I guess I'll just do these cycles of bulking over the winter and "cutting" over the summer (because I have to) in order to eventually reach my goals.

[Tubesteak Cowboy]

Off topic but something that sucks...

I bulked up a lot over fall and winter and made some good gains in muscle mass.. went from 160 to 190 (although not all muscle) but I thought I looked a lot better, fuller, since I'm 6'2" and naturally skinny.

I started racing again and realized I needed to change my training. I also started a new job and had less time to eat... coupled with the new extensive amount of cardio and riding made me lose a lot of what I gained. Now I'm back down to 175 and pretty ripped which is better than 160 I guess... but I really wanted to reach atleast 200 ripped up. I guess I'll just do these cycles of bulking over the winter and "cutting" over the summer (because I have to) in order to eventually reach my goals.It's hard to find a balance, I know how you feel. I wanna keep getting bigger (lean muscle though) but I don't want it to interfere with riding. On a side note I also have a man crush on Urijah Faber.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b137/Alloymx428/urijahfaber_vs_ivanmenjivar_2.jpg

[LEE3383]

Off topic but something that sucks...

I bulked up a lot over fall and winter and made some good gains in muscle mass.. went from 160 to 190 (although not all muscle) but I thought I looked a lot better, fuller, since I'm 6'2" and naturally skinny.

I started racing again and realized I needed to change my training. I also started a new job and had less time to eat... coupled with the new extensive amount of cardio and riding made me lose a lot of what I gained. Now I'm back down to 175 and pretty ripped which is better than 160 I guess... but I really wanted to reach atleast 200 ripped up. I guess I'll just do these cycles of bulking over the winter and "cutting" over the summer (because I have to) in order to eventually reach my goals.

To grow, you must eat. Just keep going back and fourth. Thats the way to do it as long as you know how to loose fat withought muscle.

****, Im 5'8 and 230lbs right now. time to diet! :-D

[DC323]

To grow, you must eat. Just keep going back and fourth. Thats the way to do it as long as you know how to loose fat withought muscle.

****, Im 5'8 and 230lbs right now. time to diet! :-D

Yeah I know, I ate like crazy during the winter.... 4000+ calories, 250+ grams of protein a day... I was always full but yet always looking for more to eat.

I don't know how much I eat now since I no longer have the time to monitor it, probably half that... lol.

[Sheriff]

Eat meat,fish, and poultry during the day and go for a casein protein before bed.
Good. Thanks.

[Triple Five]

I gained 15 ponds in 9 months by lifting a whole lot. Now that summer is here I have been eating less and doing more cardio. I've already lost about 8 ponds.

[Tubesteak Cowboy]

I gained 15 ponds in 9 months by lifting a whole lot. Now that summer is here I have been eating less and doing more cardio. I've already lost about 8 ponds.Were you relatively big before hand? 15 lbs is pretty little for that length of time. What did/does your routine consist of?

[DC323]

15 pounds is pretty good for 9 months if most of it was lean muscle mass, in fact its great... most people can only gain something like a pound of muscle per month without fat gains if they are doing everything right

I gained 30 pounds in 5 months but I had never lifted before (newb gains) but I bet only 10-15 pounds was lean weight, if that.

[Triple Five]

Were you relatively big before hand? 15 lbs is pretty little for that length of time. What did/does your routine consist of?



Yeah I've always been pretty muscular. I'm about 5'10" and went from 180 to 195. I was trying to get up to 200 but just got sick of eating all the time.

I was doing minimal cardio that was just a cool down on a bike.

I was lifting 6 days a week with a different area each day. Bi/tri Chest/back/core Shoulders/legs

[LEE3383]

Yeah I've always been pretty muscular. I'm about 5'10" and went from 180 to 195. I was trying to get up to 200 but just got sick of eating all the time.

I was doing minimal cardio that was just a cool down on a bike.

I was lifting 6 days a week with a different area each day. Bi/tri Chest/back/core Shoulders/legs

After I had surgery a couple of years ago I was 125lbs. In a year I got to 195. All natural. It was crazy.

Im 230 now but I need to loose 20lbs of fat to be ripped. Im gonna start a hardcore diet soon.

[Triple Five]

Thats the problem. Once you try and bulk up you get to eating so much that even after you stop lifting so hard you're still hungry all the time.

[devindavis410]

RC takes his "medicine" before every moto...