Gay Marriage Paper- need some viewpoints from you guys

[ktmmcc82]

So, it's getting towards the end of the semester, finally. And I'm writing my final paper for my Human Sexuality course on Gay Marriage. Since I'm pretty biased on the subject, being gay myself, and engaged to the most wonderful woman ever. SO, assuming the majority of you are straight (I apologize if my assumption is wrong).... What is your stance on the matter?

Now I don't want this to turn into some huge debate as to what is right and wrong, hissy fit. Which I know it can. I just need some more view points for my paper. :thumbsup:

[Sheriff]

If the couple is happy together and want to officialize their union, why not? It doesn't change anything to my own life.

What you do in your bedroom is none of anyone else's business.

[motocrossguy958]

agreed. i have no problem with people that are gay or homosexual, as long as they dont try and push that lifestyle on me. what you do in your home behind closed doors is your business, not mine or anyone elses. if that is what makes you happy then more power to you. i think people need to be more open-minded about it. its not like the homosexual community is trying to take over the world or something. let them be happy.

[swedishfishmx]

If the couple is happy together and want to officialize their union, why not? It doesn't change anything to my own life.

What you do in your bedroom is none of anyone else's business.

Agreed!

[sharkmx62]

I think it is insane that a country with a signed Declaration of Independence that claims "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." can illegalize gay marriage.

[DBerg649]

Well, add one more to the list that agree's with your side of the debate Amy. I truly don't understand how people can be so arogant as to impose their beliefs on other people through law, and at the end of it all, it has no effect on their lives, and a big effect on the lives of those that have the right taken away from them. Funny thing is, many of the same people that say gay marriage isn't right because it's against god's will, have been divorced and remarried multiple times. You have people who can't stay married, telling other people they can't get married, as if they have a better understanding of the kind of relationship required to be happily married.

P.S. I'm not bashing people that have been divorced or remarried.

[eighttwelve]

look to the definition of marriage in a social context versus an old school theological context. If marriage is a means to be unified with the one you love in an 'official' and binding way, than it should be legalized and considered a right for homosexuals. If it's a religious viewpoint, it likely will not include homosexuality as a valid means, just because it says so. The reason behind homosexuality being 'wrong' in the eyes of religion is something you can probably read up about. It's probably along the same lines as some foods being outlawed in Judaism because at the time there was no sanitation or refrigeration, so you would likely get sick from eating those foods. While that's not the same today, the tradition remains, similar to the whole anti-homosexuality view.

[ryan_625]

People should be able to get married despite their sexual orientation. I think it is time that people stop being so conservative because we most definitely do not live in the world our parents did.

[Wonton Capistrano]

People should be able to marry whoever they would like. Your sexual orientation should never be an issue. Those who would like to make it an issue feel it is against their personal belief system. That is fine as they can choose not to marry a same sex partner, but their ideals should not ever be legislated where it will impact the lives of others. They present many arguments trying to sway the opinions of people to their position, but those arguments are extremely weak and easily disproven. Sanctity of marriage is one of those arguments. This is really lame. More than 50% of heterosexual marriages end in divorce...yes, very sacred. :8/ The fringe element of this group even takes things to a level that is just downright absurd and cruel by incorrectly trying to link homosexuality with pedophilia and other criminal acts.
I am pleased that Obama is trying to move forward with initiatives that will lessen the discrimination against homosexuals. Dont ask dont tell, for one, does not work. While I was in Iraq, we had a couple guys that were gay...it was extremely obvious. No one cared, no one was worried about them making a pass at anyone...they were people, soldiers, just like the rest of us. They paid their dues like anyone else. They struggled, as did the rest of us, and like any of the other soldiers I worked with, there wasnt a thing I would not do for either one of them.

[valvesR4pussies]

People should be able to marry whoever they would like. Your sexual orientation should never be an issue. Those who would like to make it an issue feel it is against their personal belief system. That is fine as they can choose not to marry a same sex partner, but their ideals should not ever be legislated where it will impact the lives of others. They present many arguments trying to sway the opinions of people to their position, but those arguments are extremely weak and easily disproven. Sanctity of marriage is one of those arguments. This is really lame. More than 50% of heterosexual marriages end in divorce...yes, very sacred. :8/ The fringe element of this group even takes things to a level that is just downright absurd and cruel by incorrectly trying to link homosexuality with pedophilia and other criminal acts.
I am pleased that Obama is trying to move forward with initiatives that will lessen the discrimination against homosexuals. Dont ask dont tell, for one, does not work. While I was in Iraq, we had a couple guys that were gay...it was extremely obvious. No one cared, no one was worried about them making a pass at anyone...they were people, soldiers, just like the rest of us. They paid their dues like anyone else. They struggled, as did the rest of us, and like any of the other soldiers I worked with, there wasnt a thing I would not do for either one of them.


I'm a fan of the don't ask don't tell policy. Being in the military I can tell you that yeah, there's a few guys and gals that are obviously gay. Hell, I've heard that in the Marines there's sort of a lesbian mofia. The don't ask don't tell policy has it where nobody can ask you about your sexual orientation, but your really aren't supposed to be preaching about it either. They really don't enforce the no homos in the military rule.



So why do you want to get married?

[Patrick]

I'm 100% for it.

Telling two consenting adults that they can't marry is a human rights violation. That's it. It makes me sick that this is considered debatable by a lot of people.

Congratulations on your engagement, Amy!

[eighttwelve]

I think the idea of don't ask don't tell is fine, as in, it's irrelevant. however, it shouldn't be punishable to say that you are gay, or even an issue. how about the 'don't be a biggot' law so people don't give people **** for their race, religion, or sexual preferences.

[ktmmcc82]

ValvesR4pussies, I want to get married to the woman I love, because I am madly in love with her, I want our relationship to be sanctified by marriage. Not to mention, visitation rights without question (what Obama just passes is a mandate, a hospital that accepts medicare and madicade technically has to allow gay couples visitation rights, but that doesn't mean they will), also tax benefits, and just social recognition.

I want to marry Pat, for the same reasons straight couples want to marry. Because I love her and want to spend the rest of my life with her. There shouldn't have to be any more reason after that.

[eighttwelve]

ValvesR4pussies, I want to get married to the woman I love, because I am madly in love with her, I want our relationship to be sanctified by marriage. Not to mention, visitation rights without question (what Obama just passes is a mandate, a hospital that accepts medicare and madicade technically has to allow gay couples visitation rights, but that doesn't mean they will), also tax benefits, and just social recognition.

I want to marry Pat, for the same reasons straight couples want to marry. Because I love her and want to spend the rest of my life with her. There shouldn't have to be any more reason after that.
nailed it, as far as I'm concerned. I don't see how you can argue against it. The idea that marriage is a religious idea is archaic.

[Jarid332]

I have no problem with gay marriage. In my opinion you can't help who you fall in love with and if both of you are happy then more power to you.

I mean look at Case and Demon...

[jnickell]

Though I have Christian beliefs, I also see things for what they are. Gay marriage under God, I don't agree with. Gay marriage under the laws of the State, fine by me. One is religous and lawful and the other is just lawful (or should be). If you are getting married, I don't see how you can use Jesus as your binding agent. It just doesn't mix well. But if your binding agent is the laws of the state, more power to ya. Lord I hope that made sense.

[sharkmx62]

Though I have Christian beliefs, I also see things for what they are. Gay marriage under God, I don't agree with. Gay marriage under the laws of the State, fine by me. One is religous and lawful and the other is just lawful (or should be). If you are getting married, I don't see how you can use Jesus as your binding agent. It just doesn't mix well. But if your binding agent is the laws of the state, more power to ya. Lord I hope that made sense.
makes sense to me, but im anxious to see how much this gets derailed now

[Wonton Capistrano]

makes sense to me, but im anxious to see how much this gets derailed now


Meh..I dont think it will really get derailed...the main opposition to it is from those of a strict religous background...I think Jim said that quite well. He managed to preserve his faith/beliefs and her right to get married.
:shrug:

[DBerg649]

Makes sense to me too. I mean I believe someone can be both gay and religious, and I wouldn't call it hypocritical. Ofcourse I don't believe in religious teachings, so as long as someones lifestyle isn't harmful, I believe they can do what ever they want and still be religious without being hypocritical. Just nice to hear someone be understanding and supportive of a lifestyle that they may not necessarily agree with. Respect :thumbsup:

[Demon]

Im not too sure the gays know what they're getting themselves into. I meanuntil now gays always had an out. "Sure I love you Jarid but its illegal for us to get married, now turn over"











Seriously though this country has bigger things to worry about

[jnickell]

Makes sense to me too. I mean I believe someone can be both gay and religious, and I wouldn't call it hypocritical. Ofcourse I don't believe in religious teachings, so as long as someones lifestyle isn't harmful, I believe they can do what ever they want and still be religious without being hypocritical. Just nice to hear someone be understanding and supportive of a lifestyle that they may not necessarily agree with. Respect :thumbsup:

The whole "are you born gay or is it a choice?" is the one that drives me insane. I'm going to let you guys figure out which side of the coin I'm on.

[Patrick]

That got brought up in a philosophy course I was taking a while back. Turned into a heated argument and got very uncomfortable. I was very close to leaving.

[cobra314]

I am like most of you. I have no problem with gays or them getting married if they choose to. What I do have a problem with is why do a lot of gays feel that they have to have parades or have to announce to the world that they are gay? I don't go around with a sticker on my truck or telling everyone that I am straight. We had a guy recently in Oklahoma that wanted a license plate that said "IM GAY". He was turned down for the plate. When the news interviewed him he said that he felt that he had to let everyone know that he was gay. In my opinion that is just plain stupid. People should do what they want to do and shut up about it. Live your life and be happy.

[DBerg649]

Well, I like brunettes and I don't even know if I got that from my dad or just chose to like them. In the end it doesn't matter. I mean I get the debate, but it's like any other belief someone may have. As long as it doesn't get pushed on others all the time, it shouldn't matter. Honestly I'm on the fence with that one (not for any religious or even lack of religious reasons), and I could be convinced either way, but I don't see it as a negative thing if it is a choice rather than a soemthing you're born with. Hell I was born sh*tting my pants and learned to use the potty. I dunno, that's always been one of those arguements that seems to get blown WAAAAAAY out of proportion. When I see people getting angry about that subject, I just think it's funny because it's like people getting into a heated debate about which came first, the chicken or the egg. I understand why it's important to religious people, but from a nonreligious stand point, it really is a silly arguement.

[jnickell]

Well, I like brunettes and I don't even know if I got that from my dad or just chose to like them. In the end it doesn't matter. I mean I get the debate, but it's like any other belief someone may have. As long as it doesn't get pushed on others all the time, it shouldn't matter. Honestly I'm on the fence with that one (not for any religious or even lack of religious reasons), and I could be convinced either way, but I don't see it as a negative thing if it is a choice rather than a soemthing you're born with. Hell I was born sh*tting my pants and learned to use the potty. I dunno, that's always been one of those arguements that seems to get blown WAAAAAAY out of proportion. When I see people getting angry about that subject, I just think it's funny because it's like people getting into a heated debate about which came first, the chicken or the egg. I understand why it's important to religious people, but from a nonreligious stand point, it really is a silly arguement.

I guess it drives me crazy because it seems so logical.

[eighttwelve]

I am like most of you. I have no problem with gays or them getting married if they choose to. What I do have a problem with is why do a lot of gays feel that they have to have parades or have to announce to the world that they are gay? I don't go around with a sticker on my truck or telling everyone that I am straight. We had a guy recently in Oklahoma that wanted a license plate that said "IM GAY". He was turned down for the plate. When the news interviewed him he said that he felt that he had to let everyone know that he was gay. In my opinion that is just plain stupid. People should do what they want to do and shut up about it. Live your life and be happy.
I think he should be allowed to have teh plate, even if I think it's retarded. Like anybody with a custom plate saying something nobody gives two ****s about.

And yes, I think it's pretty clear that being gay is a biological thing for those who prefer men to women, however, I'm sure there's tons of guys who just don't care if it's a guy or girl. I guess they'd be considered bisexual and having gay relationships by choice.

[jnickell]

I think he should be allowed to have teh plate, even if I think it's retarded. Like anybody with a custom plate saying something nobody gives two ****s about.

And yes, I think it's pretty clear that being gay is a biological thing for those who prefer men to women, however, I'm sure there's tons of guys who just don't care if it's a guy or girl. I guess they'd be considered bisexual and having gay relationships by choice.

And Logic prevails!

[ktmmcc82]

With friends of mine who are Bi, they've always told me it's more the person they fall in love with. It's not that they specifically choose to be with a guy or a girl, to be with a guy or a girl. It's been said in here before, you can't help who you fall for.

For example! And ex of mine, dumped me for a guy friend of hers that lives in Texas (she lived in Chicago at the time). She moved in with him in Texas, and now she's preggers. The baby's name is Elliott. Random fast, her and I are huge Hawks fans, and we're both with huge Devils fans now.

[eighttwelve]

With friends of mine who are Bi, they've always told me it's more the person they fall in love with. It's not that they specifically choose to be with a guy or a girl, to be with a guy or a girl. It's been said in here before, you can't help who you fall for.

For example! And ex of mine, dumped me for a guy friend of hers that lives in Texas (she lived in Chicago at the time). She moved in with him in Texas, and now she's preggers. The baby's name is Elliott. Random fast, her and I are huge Hawks fans, and we're both with huge Devils fans now.
ya, I'm talking more about the attraction part of it. They're already attracted to both, so there's an option. Straight guys don't fall for guys, lol.

[valvesR4pussies]

With friends of mine who are Bi, they've always told me it's more the person they fall in love with. It's not that they specifically choose to be with a guy or a girl, to be with a guy or a girl. It's been said in here before, you can't help who you fall for.

For example! And ex of mine, dumped me for a guy friend of hers that lives in Texas (she lived in Chicago at the time). She moved in with him in Texas, and now she's preggers. The baby's name is Elliott. Random fast, her and I are huge Hawks fans, and we're both with huge Devils fans now.


I think being bi is more of a chick thing. They can swing back and forth like crazy.

[eighttwelve]

I think being bi is more of a chick thing. They can swing back and forth like crazy.
It's not. It's a cultural thing, for the US, to be afraid to be open sexually. Throughout history it has not been uncommon for men to sleep with one another on the side as if they were mistresses.

[valvesR4pussies]

It's not. It's a cultural thing, for the US, to be afraid to be open sexually. Throughout history it has not been uncommon for men to sleep with one another on the side as if they were mistresses.


It's really rampant out here in the middle east. Mo fos walking down the streets holding hands. They will also stare at you when you're working out.

[sharkmx62]

It's really rampant out here in the middle east. Mo fos walking down the streets holding hands. They will also stare at you when you're working out.
I might be wrong, but I thought men holding hands in the middle east was a cultural thing, not a gay thing.

Atleast thats what he told me.... :uhoh:

[Falcon991]

I have a hard time understanding why the religious right even cares. This is one of those big, big arguments that really makes me scratch my head. It seems so inhumane and childish to try to deny two people the legal consummation of their love for one another, regardless of who they are.
I have a friend who is against gay marriage, and you should hear the bs he spouts off. "This will lead to marriage between three or more people," or "it will lead to marriage between a man and a cat." Stupid.

[eighttwelve]

I have a hard time understanding why the religious right even cares. This is one of those big, big arguments that really makes me scratch my head. It seems so inhumane and childish to try to deny two people the legal consummation of their love for one another, regardless of who they are.
I have a friend who is against gay marriage, and you should hear the bs he spouts off. "This will lead to marriage between three or more people," or "it will lead to marriage between a man and a cat." Stupid.
lol, has he never heard of polygamy?

[CR125guy]

It is unfortunate that there are still people against this. Although that is the way it was way back when. Most people are simply uneducated though.

I don't like how our own government fuels this fire though. For example, hate crimes. If we are all created equal, why do some get different treatment than others? Lots of people don't like this idea, and if you already have a problem with gays, laws like this make you hate them more. We all need to be responsible for our actions, however one person should not get special treatment because they are gay. Say I am walking home from a bar and decide to beat the piss out of a random person (just an example :). If they are straight, I will get charged with assault and battery, if homosexual, would get charged with assault, battery, and a hate crime, even though I did not no the sexuality of this person. If we want to be treated equally, the laws need to be equal for all.

I have family that is gay, friends that are gay, I have no problem with it. I understand that that is just they way were born. But the government needs to stop dividing us with laws, there are already plenty of them on the books designed to punish someone who commits a crime like this. We don't need more, just utilize the one we have and lock these pieces of junk up!!!

[jnickell]

All I know is that the legalization of Gay marriage will trigger a boom in divorce lawyer income. You kiddies ought to jump on that train now.

[valvesR4pussies]

I might be wrong, but I thought men holding hands in the middle east was a cultural thing, not a gay thing.

Atleast thats what he told me.... :uhoh:


It's cultural alright. The thing is that men and women are segregated. Men do not socialize with women, who stay at home, unless they're escorted by a family male. I think this lead to the rampant butt humping.